While at Watkins Glen this September, I noticed a few of the racing MGBs had a door 'capping' on the exterior door made of aluminum. This ran the length of the door, and was riveted on. It was about 2" in depth, and folded over the door skin where the window scraper would normally be.
I assume these are owner created, but if there is a source for them, that would be good.
Seems like a good way to cover the crack of doom, and add strength to the door skin at the top.
Anyone use one of these?
Aluminum door top strip
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Mine are from Home Depot.
Go to the carpet section and look for it there as these are normally used to cover the edge of a stair step. I have a picture at home which I can attach for you tonight.
Hope this helps.
A picture would be good, but I'll stop in at Home Depot or some similar store on my way home tonight, and see what is available.
I make that kind of stuff from stratch when building a race car. Fred, maybe we plan another tech session for your car over the winter, and make you some sheetmetal goodies, at that time it would be easy enough to make some extra for other folks. Hey give me a weekend or two, and I make a sheetmetal guy out of you yet :)
Great offer. Working with breaks, shears, presses, punches, it's all good fun to see what you can come up with from a big sheet of aluminum. Just wish I had the equipment at my disposal. My whole car would be aluminum :)
That sounds like a good plan Hap. Hopefully it will be just that and not an emergency repair session from my first driver's school later this month.
I'd also like to see a photo, even though I saw them at Watkins Glen
Hap, if you are going to make some aluminum goodies over the winter, keep me in mind. I would be interested in some.
Robert, I'll be sure to document it when we do it. I more recently with Andy Russell's rally MGB GT will be doing aluminum door panel in the very near future, with his car we have a different goal, Andy needs to retian his roll up door windows, after some thought I think we are going to retain the upper most factory panel piece recovered in black vinyl and go with aluminum below that, with Fred's car since we don't have door glass we will just cover up the glass slot in the door and use aluminum all over the door, on Fred's car we will also probably do so gutting of the door itself, on my Midget race cars, I've gotten my doors down to about 7 pounds a piece, I even got a deal where with a pinned door on a race car, where you can make the door removeable in about two seconds, makes for easier shop prepping, anything I can do to make a race car easier to work on, I go for it, I look at alot of folk's race cars and what I see is a evolution of mods that at the end of the day make the car harder to work on than a street car, I try very hard to make a race car easier to work on, not harder, if it's made easier, you're more apt to stay on top of things.
Those things sound interesting, Hap, & I'm gonna be watching for your documentation so I can figure out how to lighten my doors....but why the piece of aluminum in the original post?
Tony, I like this trim piece for three reasons:
1. It looks nice
2. It can cover the crack of doom
3. It give a secure base for mounting door mirrors.
Why racers use it, I don't know. Maybe the same reasons? Maybe when they remove the windows, etc. this piece of aluminum gives strength back to the doors?
It does a good job of hiding the ugly opening at the top of the door, which has plenty of sharp edges. no one wants an ugly car, right? I welded in steel fabricated panels to my doors and it really did prevent them from twisting as much as without.
autoist Wrote:
Those things sound interesting, Hap, & I'm gonna be watching for your documentation so I can figure out how to lighten my doors....but why the piece of aluminum in the original post?
Quote:While at Watkins Glen this September, I noticed a few of the racing MGBs had a door 'capping' on the exterior door made of aluminum. This ran the length of the door, and was riveted on. It was about 2" in depth, and folded over the door skin where the window scraper would normally be.
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Tony, I guessing you are asking me why you would use aluminum on a race car's door panel, most racing bodies require you to have some sort of door panel, even if you have Nascar style door bars, heck even some vintage bodies require you to have a upolstered door panels. On Andy's car, we won't do any lightening to speak of on his doors, he still will have window glass, on the race cars, sure gut away, but remember it still has to swing open and shut, so it will be more than just a door shell. As for a the use of aluminum britework on a car, it for the most part will end up being lighter than using steel sheetmetal, and it what most people want. In my cockpit I try to paint most of the aluminum panels in the eye view of the driver, I've seen alot guys over the years, make polished aluminum dashs and door panels to only have the glare of the sun blind them.
Tony my advice on building your own race car stays the same, it's nearly impossible to do it without going to race track and getting involved with someone else's racing and educating yourself. I see alot of guys just get a wild hiar and decide to build a car and go racing without educating themselves at the race track first, most of the time this ends being a nightmare for them when they do start out, nothing will educate you like hands on experiance of being there, and I'm not talking about showing up with wife, and a camera, I'm talking about being a crew member and getting your hands dirty. In fact I think there should be some sort of rule, that no one can even build thier own race car without a couple of years crewing for someone else, I know thats totally unenforceable and a little silly, but the point I'm trying to make is no where but the racetrack as a crew member will prepare you for the task of building a race car, doing it without any hands on experience is almost unthinkble in my book. If finding a local guy like John Prater to crew for is not practicle, maybe offer to help Jack Worley with working tech would be a good option for you, it will let you look at alot of cars up close and get a real quick education. Tony, I hope this doesn't sound like I'm picking on you, because that is not my intentions, but I want to see you do this and stay around for awhile once you begun racing, and for that to happen you need to get yourself some hands-on experience, now that you're not traveling so much with the Army, maybe you will have more time to get out to the racetrack. I'm telling you the same thing I would tell any beginner. I want to see you suceed at this, same as I do with Fred McConnell, so I feel the straighter I give it to you guys, the better your chances will be.
No problem, Hap...I really appreciate all your input - I'm a neophyte in this arena....I just can't visualize why anybody would run a piece of 2" aluminum all along the top edge of the outside of their door & would like to see a photo to help me understand why.
Hap and Tony:
I've started hanging around with a vintage racer - John Targett, who has a lovely B racer, and his two chums who also race B's.
I am not really thinking of getting into racing, as it's a major commitment, but I enjoy being at the track whenever possible, and seeing what these guys - and others - do to their MGBs. It gives me some good ideas for my 66 B that I am making into a Sebring replica.
My assumption is that the alum. strip at the top of the door adds strength to the door once the door glass and everything else is removed, and it convers the sharp, ugly edge that would be there without this strip. I saw this on B's other than the ones in our paddock area, and was not able to ask anyone, but this seems the only reason I can think of.
I like it because it covers the crack of doom, provides a stronger mount for my vintage Walpres bullet mirrors, and gives the car a distinctive look. I have aluminum front and rear valences, and this will just balance those off.
Robert,
If you like hangin' out with the vintage guys, everyone could use a hand once in a while. I'm so greatful to my Dad's buddy that flies out from Texas a couple times a year to go racing with us. The help is so appreciated. He comes out a couple days early and helps with any last minute prep on the cars, helps loading, etc. While at the track he helps take care of both cars by fueling, checking tire pressure/temps, torqueing lugs, checking fluids, etc. It's a huge deal for me since I'm usually the one doing all that. Just a few small things make a big difference when you're running around getting ready. Perhaps you could volunteer a weekend to help them crew. I know I appreciate it immensely.
Robert, if you're hanging out with John Targett, you're in damn fine company, he's one smart cookie, and a prince of a guy. You couldn't be learning the ropes from anyone any better, I think the world of John.
Tony as mentioned above, most people wrap the door window slot with a riveted in aluminum panel of some sort, to cover the slot and make the top of the door more rigid.
Yes, Hap, John is a gentleman and all around decent human being. I just met him once at Mosport, and got invited to join him at Watkins Glen. He and his crew and friends were wonderful to my wife and me, and so we have joined them at Mosport and Watkins Glen since then.
I've bought some great parts from him and he has always been 100% up front about what I need, and has been more than fair and accommodating in our dealings. He has even gone so far as to help me ship some some parts over from England - that I bought from someone else - with his shipments of cars and parts.
Were I more mobile (either rich or retired), I would be at more races, and would help more. Vintage racers just seem to be nice guys, and John is one of the nicest!
Besides, I figure when I buy stuff from him, I am helping him finance and enjoy his hobby, and I get vicarious enjoyment from seeing others enjoy doing things I can't do.
Tony, I have taken tons of pictures of racing Bs lately (and some GTs) as research for my build. If you are interested, I can burn them to CD and mail them to you.
It is funny, because I have very few beauty shots, but a lot of exhaust pipes, tow hooks, brake bias set ups, etc. etc.
PM me your address if you are interested.
Here is a picture I took at this year's Gold Cup.
Interesting - so the main thing it does is cover the slot in which the window rolls up & where the vent window goes if there was a window/vent window....mailing address in a pm - thanks
Ok, finally I am making it around to post my pictures.
Fact is the curvature of the step edge guard you can buy at the DYI stores matches the top of the door very nicely and it just wide enough to cover up the entire slot. I shaped the end of the alu strip to match the B-pillar joint as you can see in the pictures. Keep in mind that I have to make do with working from a 2-car garage and don't have all the tools some of you have that allow you to fabricate much more professional looking and fitting pieces.
two-car garage or not, that looks really nice. I do most everything in my 2-car garage as well. I am lucky to have a fabricator that lets me use his shop & tools for things I can't do here.
Here's how we started cutting mine to make room for the NASCAR-style door bars that are being installed right now....we've done some more work on them to make the bars fit - I can probably use the piece of metal along the top for strengthening:
Tony, what I've done in the past with Nascar door bars is build a door panel that that has a concave in them for the bars. I'll get a better picture of the one on Speedracer, but here's one I have of a car I built a few years back, it hard to see the detail because of the door panel being black, but you get the idea.
autoist Wrote:
Here's how we started cutting mine to make room for the NASCAR-style door bars that are being installed right now....we've done some more work on them to make the bars fit - I can probably use the piece of metal along the top for strengthening:
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I followed the GRM build that you documented on your website in 2006 and I instantly was intrigued by that minimalistic door. Of course it never dawned on me that certain vintage organizations may require for you having an inner door panel from what Hap eluted to.
Regardless, very nice work!
Thanks, Hap!
Bubba - yep, I'm gonna have to make some modifications when we get the NASCAR bars installed - seems rather dumb to me that they want an interior panel, but what can you do?
Tony,
More than once I've seen the words "dumb" and "insert sanctioning body here" in the same sentence. It seems no matter how the rules are written, there’s always a situation where the implementations is… dumb!
Steve
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