Was reading and replying to the post on gun shows and a friend of ours ( not a forum or MG owner ) sent us an email about owning guns. Thought I would share and I know it will receive some negative comments. Guess that goes with the terriority of posting such. Anyway here is the email message:
"Subject: Why I Have a Gun
My old grandpa said to me, "Son, there comes a time in every man's life when he stops bustin' knuckles and starts bustin' caps and usually it's when he becomes too old to take an ass whoopin'."
I don't have a gun to kill people. I have a gun to keep from being killed.
I don't have a gun to scare people. I have a gun because sometimes this world can be a scary place.
I don't have a gun because I'm paranoid. I have a gun because there are real threats in the world.
I don't have a gun because I'm evil. I have a gun because I have lived long enough to see the evil in the world. I don't have a gun because I hate the government. I have a gun because I understand the limitations of government.
I don't have a gun because I'm angry. I have a gun so that I don't have to spend the rest of my life hating myself for failing to be prepared.
I don't have a gun because I want to shoot someone. I have a gun because I want to die at a ripe old age in my bed, and not on a sidewalk somewhere tomorrow afternoon.
I don't have a gun because I'm a cowboy. I have a gun because, when I die and go to Heaven, I want to be a cowboy. I don't have a gun to make me feel like a man. I have a gun because men know how to take care of themselves and the ones they love.
I don't have a gun because I feel inadequate. I have a gun because unarmed and facing three armed thugs, I am inadequate.
I don't have a gun because I love it. I have a gun because I love life and the people who make it meaningful to me.
"Police Protection" is an oxymoron. Free citizens must protect themselves. Police do not protect you from crime; they usually just investigate the crime after it happens and then call someone in to clean up the mess. A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone. Personally, I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and too old to take an ass whoopin'. "
Well I guess I just opened myself up as a target huh? Ya'll have fun taking shots.
Your turn :)
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You shouldn't have to defend your reasons for gun ownership, especially when it's specifically codified in one of the founding documents of your country and embedded so deep in your culture.
I have to say though, the society described in the original post sounds utterly terrifying, so no wonder you carry guns. It's selfish to say so, but it makes me very glad we don't have anywhere near the level of gun crime that you do.
"You shouldn't have to defend your reasons for gun ownership, especially when it's specifically codified in one of the founding documents of your country and embedded so deep in your culture."
But we do have to constantly defend the 2nd Amendment from those who would love to have all citizens defenseless. Defenseless people are easier to control
Naomi
If you want or feel you need a gun by all means have one. But remember that all rights come with responsibilities:
Take a gun safety course.
If there are children or grandchildren around the house invest in a gun safe & trigger locks.
Don't carry them if you don't have a permit.
Don't carry them where they're not welcome.
Don't carry them when you've been drinking, a drunken moron with a gun is at least as dangerous as one with a car.
Don't take them to a bar, a church, a school, a government office.
Remember that most police officers who are shot are shot with their own weapons.
Don't make threatening comments about the fact that you are armed.
Civilians don't need machine guns.
Excuse me, Mr robber/rapist, would you please wait a minute while I get my gun from it's locked cabinet and remove the trigger lock and while I unlock my ammo as well before you kill me and rape my wife and daughter? You don't mind, do you?
Bill Hicks did a briliant piece on US vs UK crime. Contains swearing, but f**king funny! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vn5guN0uePM
PurplePeopleEater Wrote:
Naomi
If you want or feel you need a gun by all means have one. But remember that all rights come with responsibilities:
Take a gun safety course.
If there are children or grandchildren around the house invest in a gun safe & trigger locks.
Don't carry them if you don't have a permit.
Don't carry them where they're not welcome.
Don't carry them when you've been drinking, a drunken moron with a gun is at least as dangerous as one with a car.
Don't take them to a bar, a church, a school, a government office.
Remember that most police officers who are shot are shot with their own weapons.
Don't make threatening comments about the fact that you are armed.
Civilians don't need machine guns.
"
Alex -- some good points and I'll reply:
1. Take a gun safety course-------- I have taken a course and the hubby is qualifed as Expert with many weapons
2. If there are children or grandchildren around the house invest in a gun safe & trigger locks----------All are in a safe except the one I carry and the one the hubby carries
3. Don't carry them if you don't have a permit--- We both have concealed weapon permits
4. Don't carry them where they're not welcome---Don't know what you mean by "not welcome".
5. Don't carry them when you've been drinking, a drunken moron with a gun is at least as dangerous as one with a car------Neither of us drink so we are not drunken morons
6. Don't take them to a bar, a church, a school, a government office----I thought maybe this was what you were making reference to in point # 4 but I guess not
7. Remember that most police officers who are shot are shot with their own
weapons----- That really surprises me if it is fact
Don't make threatening comments about the fact that you are armed --- We don't make threats but we do makes promises :)
Civilians don't need machine guns------------No machine guns here.
Excuse me, Mr robber/rapist, would you please wait a minute while I get my gun from it's locked cabinet and remove the trigger lock and while I unlock my ammo as well before you kill me and rape my wife and daughter? You don't mind, do you?
"
Sigh. So tired.
auctionwatch Wrote:
I have to say though, the society described in the original post sounds utterly terrifying, so no wonder you carry guns. It's selfish to say so, but it makes me very glad we don't have anywhere near the level of gun crime that you do.
"
Amen!
Agree and disagree
People should be allowed to own handguns, rifles shotguns and the like as long as they take responibility for those weapons, teach gun safety to their children and realize that not everybody feels the same.
I own several weapons, have been around them all my life, will continue to do so and regularly teach my children on the utterly serious nature of firearms and how to handle them.
That said...
anyone who thinks they need to have a fully automatic military weapon to "feel safe" is full of shit. How about a grenade launcher or a tank or field artillary for home protection? Or how about a Nuke? Not a big 50-megaton hydrogen warhead of course, just a small 20-kiloton tactical nuclear weapon...
These are weapons that the framers of the Constitution couldn't even conceive of. Firearms of the times were single-shot muzzle-loaded weapons.
Why are there no provisions for owning giant cannons in the Constitution?
Becasue they are military weapons of mass destruction (for their times) and that is why the constitution allows for the populace to bare arms, not cannons.
The right to bear arms is not absolute as is no other right in the Constitution. And that's the way it should be since all of us know people that we would never want to see strutting around with an automatic assault weapon.
Naomi Wrote:
4. Don't carry them where they're not welcome --- Don't know what you mean by "not welcome".
"
I'm afraid that would include my house.
7. Remember that most police officers who are shot are shot with their own
weapons --- That really surprises me if it is fact
"
I wouldn't mind seeing the source of that info.
It is not the law abiding gun owners that are the problem!
There is a movement afoot to take your guns away from you and we best wake up to that fact and start doing something about it.
Write your reps! There is not much else one can do to prevent "Gun Control".
I doubt whether it will make much difference in the long run, because it has become obvious in the recent past that our Reps are NOT listening to the people.
There is an arrogance in Washington, regardless of party that they are above us and know best what the sheeple should have.
The Constitution is being ignored by the Representatives of the people.
I don't see anyone beating up on you Naomi...I think the majority of this Forum are of like mind...surprisingly.
We can easily say: "They will get my guns when they pry them from my cold, dead fingers"....but, "Gun Control" is much closer than you think.
Do not be surprised if one day you wake up and realize that the Reps have slid "Gun COntrol" into into a bill that was bound to pass and it will be too late.
This situation deserves to be watched, because Obama is going to hoist "Gun Control" on you.
DuN said................"I'm afraid that would include my house"............so buy a gun and reduce that fear.....or double up on binkies and nite lites.........
Derek up North Wrote:
What's a "binkie"?
"
It's a pacifier -- honest --- goes right along with this thread doesn't it ;)
"I'm afraid that would include my house."
Reckon a bugler/rapist would be interested in honoring your wishes? I bet if you put up a big sign that says "no guns allowed here" they will just move on to the next house to ply their trade
PurplePeopleEater Wrote:
Don't take them to a bar, a church, a school, a government office.
Remember that most police officers who are shot are shot with their own weapons.
"
Can you back that claim up? I having a hard time finding that.
I found these;
""There are no national statistics on how many times officers' guns are taken away. But the FBI says that of the 616 law enforcement officers killed on duty by criminals from 1994 through 2003, 52 were killed with their own weapon, amounting to 8 percent.""
""As in previous years, most offenders used firearms to kill police officers in 2004. Of the 52 officers who died from gunshot wounds, 36 were fatally injured with handguns, 12 were shot with rifles, and four were killed with shotguns. Offenders used vehicles to kill two officers. Thirty-two officers were wearing body armor, 11 fired their own weapons, and nine attempted to fire their own weapons. Seven of the officers had their service weapons stolen, and six were killed with their own weapons.""
olparatrooper Wrote:
It is not the law abiding gun owners that are the problem!
"
See the post on knife ownership--is it the weapon or the owner???
Just a thought. :)
Guns don't kill people... rappers do! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv-2XYOtgCg
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Derek - I won't visit your house, but if you're in the states and you get mugged - don't expect a quick response from the police. They will come to your aid, eventually. By then it's too late.
You are quick to point-out the error of our ways and to dismiss our right to bear arms. You use cute little phrases such as "so tired" when making comment. You almost sound like a California Democrat/Tree Hugger.
Edit - by the way - Naomi - Great Post - I love you more and more each passing day..
Guns are like Bruce Springsteen, you either like them or you don't, but if you like them, you really like them. To each, his/her own.
mbgator Wrote:
You are quick to point-out the error of our ways and to dismiss our right to bear arms. You use cute little phrases such as "so tired" when making comment. You almost sound like a California Democrat/Tree Hugger.
"
I posted the following on January 28th. Nobody came back and to show where I'd said otherwise. I won't change what I said, and the "challenge" is still open.
Derek up North Wrote:
I think that all I've ever really said is that I'm glad we don't have the same relationship with guns (especially handguns) as you guys down South. I don't think I've ever said that a gun register or ban is what you should have.
If anyone would like to point out to me where I've said anything otherwise, please feel free to point it out to me.
"
My "So tired" was a short response to Gerry's "cute little phrase. And of course he merely rewrote it afterwards. So, again, Sigh!
Reckon a bugler/rapist would be interested in honoring your wishes? I bet if you put up a big sign that says "no guns allowed here" they will just move on to the next house to ply their trade
"
All we need now is the #3 favorite. :)
Rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
"
And how dare you call me a Californian! :) :)
Derek up North Wrote:
mbgator Wrote:Quote:
You are quick to point-out the error of our ways and to dismiss our right to bear arms. You use cute little phrases such as "so tired" when making comment. You almost sound like a California Democrat/Tree Hugger.
I posted the following on January 28th. Nobody came back and to show where I'd said otherwise. I won't change what I said, and the "challenge" is still open.
Derek up North Wrote:Quote:
I think that all I've ever really said is that I'm glad we don't have the same relationship with guns (especially handguns) as you guys down South. I don't think I've ever said that a gun register or ban is what you should have.
If anyone would like to point out to me where I've said anything otherwise, please feel free to point it out to me.
My "So tired" was a short response to Gerry's "cute little phrase. And of course he merely rewrote it afterwards. So, again, Sigh!
Quote:
Reckon a bugler/rapist would be interested in honoring your wishes? I bet if you put up a big sign that says "no guns allowed here" they will just move on to the next house to ply their trade
All we need now is the #3 favorite.
Quote:
Rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
And how dare you call me a Californian!
"
With the predictable lame response I might add. Sigh!
Starbuck Wrote:
Agree and disagree
People should be allowed to own handguns, rifles shotguns and the like as long as they take responibility for those weapons, teach gun safety to their children and realize that not everybody feels the same.
I own several weapons, have been around them all my life, will continue to do so and regularly teach my children on the utterly serious nature of firearms and how to handle them.
That said...
anyone who thinks they need to have a fully automatic military weapon to "feel safe" is full of shit. How about a grenade launcher or a tank or field artillary for home protection? Or how about a Nuke? Not a big 50-megaton hydrogen warhead of course, just a small 20-kiloton tactical nuclear weapon...
These are weapons that the framers of the Constitution couldn't even conceive of. Firearms of the times were single-shot muzzle-loaded weapons.
Why are there no provisions for owning giant cannons in the Constitution?
Becasue they are military weapons of mass destruction (for their times) and that is why the constitution allows for the populace to bare arms, not cannons.
The right to bear arms is not absolute as is no other right in the Constitution. And that's the way it should be since all of us know people that we would never want to see strutting around with an automatic assault weapon.
"
Monte -- you are right on target and your post is perfection :) :)
Starbuck Wrote:
Agree and disagree
People should be allowed to own handguns, rifles shotguns and the like as long as they take responibility for those weapons, teach gun safety to their children and realize that not everybody feels the same.
I own several weapons, have been around them all my life, will continue to do so and regularly teach my children on the utterly serious nature of firearms and how to handle them.
That said...
anyone who thinks they need to have a fully automatic military weapon to "feel safe" is full of shit. How about a grenade launcher or a tank or field artillary for home protection? Or how about a Nuke? Not a big 50-megaton hydrogen warhead of course, just a small 20-kiloton tactical nuclear weapon...
These are weapons that the framers of the Constitution couldn't even conceive of. Firearms of the times were single-shot muzzle-loaded weapons.
Why are there no provisions for owning giant cannons in the Constitution?
Becasue they are military weapons of mass destruction (for their times) and that is why the constitution allows for the populace to bare arms, not cannons.
The right to bear arms is not absolute as is no other right in the Constitution. And that's the way it should be since all of us know people that we would never want to see strutting around with an automatic assault weapon.
"
1. You can't legally purchase a "fully automatic military weapon". Your local police department can't purchase them.
2. "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed". Cannons actually fall into the category of arms. The framers were intellegent, a hell of a lot more than today's general population. They were also wordsmith's, read some of the documents and letters these guys left behind. I think they said what they meant.
3. If the Bill of Rights is not absolute, why in hell would we even have the damn thing? I've read some stupid shit on this computer, but that takes the cake. How eager are you to ease up on the First Amendment? Are you going to like Congress restricting your right to practice your religion, the right to speak your mind or gather in a group to petition your goverment? How about the Fourth Amendment? Is it ok with you for the goverment kick down doors without probable cause and a warrant every once in a while, at their discretion?
4. People own weapons for all kinds of reasons. Some people actually enjoy shooting their guns. Not straight up into the air while drinking, but at ranges and own their own property if rural enough. It's called a hobby. Kind of like what we're doing here! Not everyone is "strutting around with an automatic assault weapon", refer back to number one.
I am in agreement with Gerry and Naomi. I have been a gun owner since I was 10 and a knife owner since I was 8. I have never unnecessarily pointed a weapon at anyone or pulled a knife either. Gun safety? My parents and grandparents taught me to respect what they are and would have whipped the tar out of me if I had done anything different. Home invasions are up in this part of the country and lets just say I feel reasonably sure that I can protect myself and my family if I need to. There are a few law enforcement fellows that also live in my neighborhood and I go to the shooting range with them. I protect my own. I am not paranoid nor am I a drunken sot. I drink, but as in all good things in moderation. Shooting a firearm is the last thing I want to do when I am drinkiing. I actually feel more like dancing and singing but that too, is pretty damn dangerous if you've seen me do it.
:S Er... I didn't realise the First Amendment was absolute? The words "fire" and "theater" spring to mind... hope that's not slanderous...
showroomgarage Wrote:
1. You can't legally purchase a "fully automatic military weapon". Your local police department can't purchase them.
2. "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed". Cannons actually fall into the category of arms. The framers were intellegent, a hell of a lot more than today's general population. They were also wordsmith's, read some of the documents and letters these guys left behind. I think they said what they meant.
3. If the Bill of Rights is not absolute, why in hell would we even have the damn thing? I've read some stupid shit on this computer, but that takes the cake. How eager are you to ease up on the First Amendment? Are you going to like Congress restricting your right to practice your religion, the right to speak your mind or gather in a group to petition your goverment? How about the Fourth Amendment? Is it ok with you for the goverment kick down doors without probable cause and a warrant every once in a while, at their discretion?
4. People own weapons for all kinds of reasons. Some people actually enjoy shooting their guns. Not straight up into the air while drinking, but at ranges and own their own property if rural enough. It's called a hobby. Kind of like what we're doing here! Not everyone is "strutting around with an automatic assault weapon", refer back to number one.
"
1. Wanna bet? I know several people with them. I know somebody with a tank and somebody with a Howitzer and they all work.
2. yes, but did the framers mean people singular or plural. was it a statement meant to imply people as in forming a militia or the actual individual citizen?
3. It is often said that the Constitution (and bill of rights) is a living, breathing thing. It is not absolute. If it was then there would be no provison for amendments and for changing them. The writers realized that things change and that the Constitution would have to be flexible enought to change as well. The Constitution was left vague in many areas for just this purpose. It is not an end product, it is a constantly evolving doucument.
Civilization can be seen as an attempt to control technology for the benefit of the people and, as anyone with any amount of reason will admit, people need limits to operate within. I'd rather not see the techinical manuals to build nuclear weapons posted up on telephone poles or the recipies for nerve gas in the classified sections of newspapers. There must be reasonable limits on things that can kill people. Without limits, we tend to go wild, especially when operationg within large groups when the mob-mentality takes over.
There is nothing wrong with a background check or a reasonable waiting period when buying a gun. Like I always say, if you need a gun RIGHT NOW you shouldn't have a gun.
I'm sorry that it is inconvienient for you but I'd rather have somebody go through a background check to find out if they are a criminal. In that case, I don't care a rat's ass about inconvieniencing somebody.
I support gun ownership but what disturbs me is how easy it is to get illegal guns (or drugs for that matter)
If you gave me the money I could go out and come back with 20 guns and whatever drugs you wanted in an afternoon's timespan and I am your typical law abiding citizen. However, if you asked me to come back with a Cuban cigar...that would be tough. Why? because law enforcement is big business as is gun manufacuturing and lobbying. There is no incentive to take guns off the streets. fewer guns= fewer gun crimes=reduced budgets for politicians and law enforcement agencies=less politcal posturing for "tough on crime" politicians.
As usual, we are being played for saps by the power and money people who set the rules of the game in this country.
If you actually think we will ever loose the right to bare arms in this country you are wrong. But every time the NRA stirs up its members and gets them protesting about some meaningless gun law they are actually empowering those who want to control us, strengnthening the power of government to interfere in our lives and doing nothing to remove illegal guns from criminal hands. IF the NRA put the same effort into forcing governments to clean the streets of illegal guns and prevent the manufacture and dumping of cheap weapons in this country, they would actually acheive something special...but they're not going to do that since it would reduce their power, funding and relevance.
We are all suckers.
And thanks for the "I've read some stupid shit on this computer, but that takes the cake." Mike...makes me feel special :)
To go out on a lighter note, the very strange comic Eddie Izzard once said; "Guns don't kill people...it's just that loud noise..."
:D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1m65v8QI3A
"Police Protection" is an oxymoron. Free citizens must protect themselves. Police do not protect you from crime; they usually just investigate the crime after it happens and then call someone in to clean up the mess. A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.
#1 reason I own several....Handguns, rifles, & shotguns....
"Enter at your own risk"
auctionwatch Wrote:
Guns don't kill people... rappers do!
"
Guns don't kill people, I kill people!
Derek up North Wrote:
And how dare you call me a Californian!
"
Hey Derek...I am from Californian...are you saying I should be embarrassed???? :-)
I actually get some funny responses from southerners when I tell them where I am from...typically, some strange looks and an inability to "categorize" me. Yankees and Southerners are the main form of distinction...Californians are something altogether different...kind of like Canadians, I think.
:-)
Tony
Starbuck,
My apologies for making you feel special. A glaring example of why I should not post when tired and irritable.
Naomi, I like your style. (Bill's too.)
Snoski, perhaps it should be "Enter if invited, or at your own risk." :-)
when did criminals start registering their guns???
we have a great legal system but no justice,
Im tired of the handgun posts and i fully understand that some of you live in very rural/isolated areas and would want a handgun. I do understand some own many guns and rifles for hobby and sporting purpose's,not a issue---BUT a few of you have concealed carry permits,do you live in areas that would warrent that,are you in that great of risk you need to carry a handgun to get a loaf of bread,because if you do then were i live i should carry two.
slywelder Wrote:
Im tired of the handgun posts and i fully understand that some of you live in very rural/isolated areas and would want a handgun. I do understand some own many guns and rifles for hobby and sporting purpose's,not a issue---BUT a few of you have concealed carry permits,do you live in areas that would warrent that,are you in that great of risk you need to carry a handgun to get a loaf of bread,because if you do then were i live i should carry two.
"
Steve you mean you ain't packing ;)
.....slywelder...as a union member in good standing....you're just a loaf for your bread.....:.
Hey Naomi How you feeling? I got this far with my attitude and street smarts and i live on the north shore of the island and its not like what your use to. Dont get me wrong my neighborhood is very nice,go for a walk,park ect. But you learn not to put yourself in situations,you keep your home safer. A concealed permit is impossible to obtain,a illegal handgun is a mistake to get caught with. A weapon in the house is one thing but not outside the home. I fail to see how some of you given were you live,given the fact that many of you dont even lock your doors,given the fact that you tell me how safe your neighborhoods are need to carry a concealed weapon when you go to church or go out for dinner. Granted work in buisness's,bad neifgborhoods,night work,isolated areas could be the exception.
wyatt Wrote:
.....slywelder...as a union member in good standing....you're just a loaf for your bread.....:.
"
Enjoying your day off? So am i and im getting paid for it.
Oh.....shut up...... I been workin on my daughters truck....got it really messed up now........
wyatt Wrote:
Oh.....shut up...... I been workin on my daughters truck....got it really messed up now........
"
Yeah i read your post,im sorry for her,did you get it straightened out? You may be a miserable,never mind but your a good dad
Here is someone who agrees with you Naomi.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4069761537893819675
As I also do. I would be very comfortable in your house.
My sister's (a champion shotgunner and pretty damn good pistol competitor) basic philosophy has always made sense to me.
"If you are going to own and carry a gun for protection, then be honest enough with yourself about whether you will be willing to use it if the need arose. If you can't honestly see yourself pulling the trigger to defend yourself, then you probably don't have any business owning or carrying one."
... that the Second Amendment was designed to protect our God-given right to keep and bear arms.
"
?
Sorry, I haven't read the 2nd. Does it actually say the it's a "God-given right"?
...........creator............or in some cases here........ Dr Frankenstine.........
It's called abiogenesis, old chap...
....I've never been to Australia.....thanks for the tip...........
....yes, I agree....no need to let a small reef, turn into a great barrier......
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