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Feb 02, 2012 06:43:45
rlich8

Drove my B about 50 miles yesterday, still just getting to know the car, testing her out, making sure all the systems are working. Adjusted the valves, one of them was way outta whack and bogging the whole engine down!

Tweaked the timing a little bit. Carbs tonight.

As I was driving, I was getting a feel for the 3 synchro box. It's much, much different than the later boxes.

It takes a little finesse to drive that 3 synhcro unit perfectly! The later trans can be thrown in and out of gear like nothing...this is not the case with the 3 snychro! It feels much more vintage on the road, particularly with that non-synchro first gear. It feels even more vintage than a TR trans (which is also a funny trans but has synchros on all gears from 62 on...it's funny because that trans "clicks" into gear)

I have found, from 3 to 2, You have to rev-match for a perfect downshift, otherwise, it takes a second for the synchro to speed up the laygear! 4 to 3 is a little more seamless, but the throttle blip still helps out a lot.

I have not yet had a first gear incident...let's hope I don't!!! :D

So, what sort of trans tricks do you guys use??? Aside from gooser neutral dropping :P

Feb 02, 2012 07:35:04
Kerrvert

Quote: "
It takes a little finesse to drive that 3 synhcro unit perfectly! The later trans can be thrown in and out of gear like nothing...this is not the case with the 3 snychro!
"


Hey Royal,

I'm experiencing the same thing with my car. The 3-sync gearbox definitely requires some touch to operate smoothly and I'm still getting the hang of it. The great thing about it is that it gives you a lot of feedback. I swear I can feel the gears engaging through the stick, particularly going second to third. It feels very solid and precise.

You definitely have to rev-match if you want to downshift to second quickly. I've found I really don't miss having synchro on first gear. Second gear is low enough to use from a standing start if need be.

Jim





Feb 02, 2012 07:46:52
rlich8

Jim,

Exactly! The feedback is awesome. Very primitive, very cool. It's just one more way of being in touch with the car.

I am loving it. Many people, these days, do not have an interest in being connected with their vehicle...they want to set it and forget it like a toaster.

It's very cool!

Royal

Feb 02, 2012 09:30:51
gooser

ok now, what's a gooser neutral dropping?

Feb 02, 2012 09:46:29
rlich8

it's special for you....it's when you steal your wife's car and do neutral drops and brake-torques behind the elementary school... :devil:

Feb 02, 2012 09:55:44
gooser

well i ain't got no wife but i do like to hang out around elementary schools. nothin' neutral about that and i ain't putting the brakes on that one.



does have an early feel to it n'est ce pas?

Feb 02, 2012 10:38:59
Back2Bs

Rich, Assuming that the trani hasn't been touched your dealing w/ a 49 yr. old trani...that has gone through who knows how many owners. The normal course of events for the early tranis is that the syncros go thru wear /overuse/misuse - especially the 2nd syncro gear. The fact that you can still feel something thru the gearshift lever is a good thing I guess. At this point I guess it is worth mentioning that John Espisito of Quantum Mechanics ( The East Coast Yoda of British Tranis) has not only rebuilt hundreds of these but also tested them in course of their repair. At any rate he recommends a 30 weight non detergent oil as opposed to the 90 weight Hypoid gear oil that comes in the trani when new. Check out his website...

Feb 02, 2012 10:45:09
rlich8

Quote: "
Rich, Assuming that the trani hasn't been touched your dealing w/ a 49 yr. old trani...that has gone through who knows how many owners. The normal course of events for the early tranis is that the syncros go thru wear /overuse/misuse - especially the 2nd syncro gear. The fact that you can still feel something thru the gearshift lever is a good thing I guess. At this point I guess it is worth mentioning that John Espisito of Quantum Mechanics ( The East Coast Yoda of British Tranis) has not only rebuilt hundreds of these but also tested them in course of their repair. At any rate he recommends a 30 weight non detergent oil as opposed to the 90 weight Hypoid gear oil that comes in the trani when new. Check out his website...
"


No no everything is fine!!

My trans has been rebuilt a month ago. John is a stand up guy, I've bought a bunch of parts from him.

Ive got 30wt non detergent.

Cheers!

Feb 02, 2012 13:08:08
Benny

The 3-sync in my old '67 VARA racer was the original 3-sync, which had never even been removed from the car. To this day, that was the nicest, most direct, most crisp shifting gearbox I've ever had in a car...better than my E-type, better than my Datsun 'dogleg', even better than my T5 and T9.

While the shifter had a the typical, notchy feel to it, you could down from 3rd to 2nd very quickly with no issues.

Feb 02, 2012 13:10:44
rlich8

Ben, I agree.

The E Type trans is a great trans, they are really strong, the later ones at least. But, the feel of it is not like the Mowog 3 synchro box. The Mowog requires more interaction and you can feel more. That E Type trans can almost be thrown into gear, but doesn't give you as much feedback.

Royal

Feb 02, 2012 13:27:08
RKM

If you match the revs properly, you don't need the clutch.

Feb 03, 2012 03:31:23
Speedracer

I liked my 3 syncro in the 67 GT as well, it shifted perfect and seemed more sporty than the 4 syncro, it took a little practice to get a scrub-less 1st gear engagement, but I tried the 2nd to 1st tip many talked about here, and that was the hot ticket. I really like the 3 syncro, and the one I had worked perfecdtly, in fact I've still got it, after putting the T9 5 speed in the GT, I'm thinking of using in the Tony Barnhill race car project GT, if we go the route of hillclimb/autocross car.

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