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Nov 29, 2009 12:19:04
mikek31

Ok! Here I go. I have already removed the hood completly because it would block my garage lights if tied back. I have disconnected the battery, removed the carbs and intake, and drained the oil. I want to remove the radiator but I know when I remove that bottom hose, green stuff will go everywhere. My question is, if I wanted a drain plug, where do you suppose the best place is to drill a hole. If I drill a hole on the bottom this would allow me to NOT make a mess in my floor. Thanks Mikek

Nov 29, 2009 12:28:11
sjboyer

If you put a pan like you use to oil drain under the hose and loosen the bottom hose and then run a screwdriver between the hose and the spout until the green stuff begins to flow. Control as necessary. If want to add a drain to the radiator you would want it near the lower hose but to the engine side not the bottom where it would be exposed to road debris.





Nov 29, 2009 12:35:46
mikek31

Quote: "
If you put a pan like you use to oil drain under the hose and loosen the bottom hose and then run a screwdriver between the hose and the spout until the green stuff begins to flow. Control as necessary. If want to add a drain to the radiator you would want it near the lower hose but to the engine side not the bottom where it would be exposed to road debris."

Thanks, very good advise. I was just about to drill a hole in the very bottom,haha. I will try the screwdriver method. Not only did I want to keep my floor cleane, but my fresh, clean front rebuild,haha. Mikek

Nov 29, 2009 12:37:52
Steve S

Mike, if you look at Mark I radiators, they have a drain at the bottom. Here's a photo...

Nov 29, 2009 12:55:12
mikek31

Seems it would be very easy to drain in that position, I like it. Thanks Steve

Nov 29, 2009 13:00:15
Ray

Just put 2nd coat on my engine, waiting on new rocker shaft before reassembly. Installing new Peter Burgess head.

Nov 29, 2009 14:13:54
bleteaches6

Take your radiator to a radiator shop and they will properly put one in for you for very little money.

Nov 29, 2009 14:21:29
kirks-auto

I don't know if they have rad shops in North Pole Alaska but I like Lee's idea FWIW. Measure twice and tap once...make sure you have access when the job is done.
From the pic it looks like a nice job coming along! Congrats...great looking gaitors on the steering rack and I see you have the better quality poly bushings....Nice to see you doing a first rate job with first rate parts! :thumbup:

Nov 29, 2009 14:27:32
mikek31

Quote: "
I don't know if they have rad shops in North Pole Alaska but I like Lee's idea FWIW. Measure twice and tap once...make sure you have access when the job is done.
From the pic it looks like a nice job coming along! Congrats...great looking gaitors on the steering rack and I see you have the better quality poly bushings....Nice to see you doing a first rate job with first rate parts! :thumbup:"


Thanks Robert. They do have a shop here. I took a chance and drilled a small hole in the bottom, drained the fluid. Im getting everything unbolted, removed and ready for the engine hoist. I will be away for about 2 weeks for winter survival training..............UHHH! This includes 5-6 days of sleeping out in temps well below zero. Cant wait. I will be keeping up with a list of parts as I go for the reassemble and get that list to ya. Mikek

Nov 29, 2009 15:19:13
Jim Gevay

I don't know if this is original but, mine is on the forward face of the radiator, about 2" inboard of the end.
Nearly opposite the radiator outlet hose.

Nov 29, 2009 15:58:56
mikek31

I know it would probably be easier to remove the engine with the head on but............I just had to remove the head to inspect it and look at the cylinder walls. There was minimal carbon build up"in my opinion" and no obvious cracks. The cylinder walls had no scoring and there was minimal movement of the piston inside the cylinders. I will gauge them though.Is there a way to determine if this head has original valves, seats, and guides? I wanted to rebuild the head but if it has already been updated, I see no reason to do it again. Thanks, Mikek

Nov 29, 2009 17:21:27
kirks-auto

If guides are magnetic or look like brass that would be the fact of the matter.
carbon ring at the top does not tell you the ovalation of the bore...fact #2
If the guides are brass looking and non magnetic I would opine you are OK.
Cylinder taper is another matter and attends to bottom end condition. Rod check with plasta-gauge is the easy way to check...

Nov 29, 2009 17:54:35
mikek31

My car has already gotten hangar rash. I jacked the drivers side up to loosen the exhaust bolts. Passenger door wasnt fully closed and swung open hitting my tool box. This made the best looking 1 inch scratch you ever saw in my paint. I was SOO PISSED, I almost wanted to get rid of the car. Said every word just short of cursing jesus. Took about a 20 min break and Im ok now,haha. Mikek

Nov 29, 2009 17:59:24
kirks-auto

Traveled 3 times to LA area to buy the car of my dreams....covered headlight XK E type. Drove it home to back to Hollywood, tightened a screw, stuck the screw driver in my right rear pocket....went on to carry on. Got back in the car and punched a hole in a freshly restored seat......PIZZZZZZZZED MAX....
I go over it 15 years later....DUMB X DUMB....sheet happens....:thumbup:

Nov 29, 2009 18:03:21
mikek31

WOW! I could see why it took 15 years, haha. Like MGB's dont already need enough fixed. Both my doors are shut now. Mikek

Nov 30, 2009 05:22:02
lars49

Quote: "
Take your radiator to a radiator shop and they will properly put one in for you for very little money."


X2 I just had my radiator cleaned, pressure & flow tested and a drain added for $40. The price without the plug was $40 so you know it won't cost much.

Nov 30, 2009 10:15:40
mikek31

Quote: "
[quote=bleteaches6]
Take your radiator to a radiator shop and they will properly put one in for you for very little money."


X2 I just had my radiator cleaned, pressure & flow tested and a drain added for $40. The price without the plug was $40 so you know it won't cost much.[/quote]

I can only hope its no more than 2X that amount here in Alaska. I really will be glad to move from here soon. Prices, shipping, and comfort all kinda have a suck factor,haha. I should save some money, I already have the hole drilled :) Mikek

Nov 30, 2009 10:23:08
mikek31

Here is a pic of the head right off the block. Pic is of # 3 & 4. I dont see anything to obvious. # 1 & 2 look just the same. Im trying to decide what to do with the head, at least at a minimum. It does look pretty gunky in the water ports. Mikek

Dec 21, 2009 18:43:12
mikek31

Update on the engine bay respray job. This is not fun! I cant wait to get the engine bay sprayed so I can start on the engine. It really sucks here in Alaska because I cant take it to a local car wash to spray it down. This means that everything will be by hand.........very time consuming. Any way I decided to go with a single stage Nason paint. Im just not sure how to get ALL the brake fluid out of the cracks and such. Next pic will show it in primer, hopefully. Mikek

Dec 22, 2009 08:58:57
Swamperca

What color is it????

Dec 22, 2009 09:11:33
mikek31

Its Called bronze yellow. The Dupont color is DUP 8581. When the guy at the store entered it in his computer it came up as, Rover 1969 Bronze Yellow. The car was sprayed with base and clear but the engine compartment will be a single stage.

Mikek

Dec 22, 2009 10:39:21
Be Coming

Mike. Think about also doing a clear coat.

A little while ago, I did some major collision repairs on a fairly new vehicle. When I repainted under the hood, I used base and clear. The clear coat was very easy to shoot and laid down very smoothly. The clear coat offers really good protection to the color coat, so from now on I'm going to be clear coating whenever I do an engine compartment. It should make oil and antifreeze spills a lot easier to clean up.

kelvin

Dec 22, 2009 11:14:51
Swamperca

How about drilling a small hole in the hose, with a pan underneath. Also at the Home Depot they have cement mixing plastic pans that are large enough to not miss when taking the hose off, they measure about 2' X 3' and are about 8" tall, it fits under the car OK.

Dec 30, 2009 22:32:57
mikek31

Just wanted to update the thread. The engine bay is about ready for primer and then off to the paint shop. I also have been working on the engine rebuild just to give myself a break for the sanding and cleaning. I will post a pic after the paint is on. Mikek

Jan 01, 2010 22:10:26
mikek31

Almost ready for paint.....YEA! Im so sick of sanding, haha. Im ready to get the engine rebuild going, but thats gonna take me probably 2 months at least, if im lucky...... Later, Mikek

Jan 07, 2010 10:25:46
mikek31

More primer. I went ahead and sprayed some epoxy primer to seal it up. I kinda ran short on primer but I think I got the important spots. Paint will be on it by the weekend, I will post the finished results. Mikek

Jan 07, 2010 10:37:31
GlenP

Looks great Mike. You must have a nice, warm workspace!

Jan 07, 2010 22:17:14
mikek31

Quote: "
Looks great Mike. You must have a nice, warm workspace!"

Hey Glen, How ya been. Yea I keep it warm,haha. Its been about -20F or so the last couple weeks. The car leaves tomorrow for paint. I have the engine and head at the shop for the machine work. If all goes well the car should be road ready about May. Lets see....new front rebuild, rear rebuild, engine and head rebuild, paint, all it really could use now is some new carpet at most. I hope to drive up to the arctic circle and get some pics once summer season hits. Its about a 6 hour drive from here. Mikek

Jan 08, 2010 06:14:12
mk2sprite

Mike
Looking forward to seeing your new Bronze Yellow paint. Are you going base/clear on the body? My car is this color and it's almost ready for paint.
Mike

Jan 09, 2010 13:58:27
mikek31

After!!!

Jan 09, 2010 14:27:49
Paolo

Mike...that looks great! Nice work!

About ready to start front suspension reassembly...still waiting on a few parts. I'll post before and after pics in a while...thanks for your help along the way!

Jan 09, 2010 14:51:54
mikek31

Quote: "
Mike...that looks great! Nice work!

About ready to start front suspension reassembly...still waiting on a few parts. I'll post before and after pics in a while...thanks for your help along the way!"
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Thanks and no problem, I like to help when I can....when I know what im talkin about, haha. This is a hobby where you really have to ask alot of questions and make mistakes. I guess thats what learing is called. If I can help out let me know. Mikek

Jan 09, 2010 17:35:21
mikek31

Quote: "
Mike
Looking forward to seeing your new Bronze Yellow paint. Are you going base/clear on the body? My car is this color and it's almost ready for paint.
Mike"


The body had been sprayed BC/CC bronze yellow when I purchased it. The PO just didnt paint the engine bay. It was an eye sore every time I opened the hood/bonnet. I hope I can put it all back together without scratching it. Mikek

Jan 17, 2010 22:25:51
mikek31

Just updating the thread for those who may be following. Takin my time and reinstalling stuff. Waiting on engine parts and the machine shop. Will post again soon. Mikek

Jan 24, 2010 17:46:35
mikek31

Just updating the thread. Hope to get engine back in by the end of next month, but not in a big hurry. Looking to get it all together by the end of April. Then I can repaint the areas on the body that cracked here a few weeks ago. Then on the road in May. Thats it for now. Mikek

Feb 16, 2010 23:24:57
mikek31

I just wanted update the thread. I havent posted to it in a while because I have been asking to many other questions in other threads,haha. Here are a few of pics of my engine, head, and crank. Nothing special about it except that I can finally start on the rebuild. It been bored .040" over, crank .010" under, all new seats installed and valves reground. Going with the stock cam with twin SU's. Not a racer engine or really even a daily driver so it should out live me. Im just doing alot of reading figuring were to start. I am open to recommendations / Links on the reassembly. I will continue to post pics as I progress, hopefully it will help someone else out in the future. Mikek

Feb 16, 2010 23:26:37
mikek31

Another...

Feb 16, 2010 23:28:12
mikek31

and another

Feb 17, 2010 04:33:01
emanders13

You just gotta love clean engine parts.:spinning:

Feb 17, 2010 05:19:35
tonegod

Isn't that nice!! Like butterscotch candy... well done Mike

Feb 17, 2010 08:49:53
mikek31

Quote: "
You just gotta love clean engine parts.:spinning:"


Yea, they are clean but the machine shop managed to get oil all over everything. That should be fun when I start to paint. =)

Feb 17, 2010 09:08:16
firebunkers23

Looks great Mike I will be there soon my self I hope. Keep the pictures coming and the information on your engine rebuild I want to do that also but have never rebuilt and engine. You guys give me the confidence and information to keep going, so keep it up! .
Paul

Feb 21, 2010 14:28:05
mikek31

Just updating. I now have the crank and pistons installed. Everything went together well. Made sure to turn everthing 360 after TQ each main and rod cap. Crank turns by hand with some slight resistance. Made sure the front of pistons were to the front, oil holes on rods towards cam, and all ring gaps measured in cyl and staggered. I used CRC black assembly lube. Light oil on cyl walls and piston rings. Only thing is, I dont have a dial guage to check crank endfloat. I did order and use new thrust washers. Thanks for looking. Mikek

Feb 21, 2010 14:29:56
mikek31

and another. =)

Mar 01, 2010 12:18:57
mikek31

Just updating....I have now installed all new brake lines and hoses, rebuilt the clutch master cyl, and replaced the brake master. Replaced clutch line also. Bending lines is not fun! The engine is together for the most part. I took my time putting on the front and rear plates.....along with those Damn cork gasket strips ( that Im sure will leak). Followed the instuctions for the Permetex Ultra Black to the T. Taking the flywheel in to be resurfaced, picking the radiator up from the shop today. I still have to install the head and rocker assy. When its all together I will paint the engine ( any suggestions on type/ brand paint?) I will post more pics before the engine goes in. Thanks all for the help during this. Mikek

Mar 01, 2010 13:59:47
Sprite Lou

fantastico!! molto bene mi amice!! Bravo!!

Mar 01, 2010 15:20:42
JoeReed

Quote: "
Just updating. I now have the crank and pistons installed. Everything went together well. Made sure to turn everthing 360 after TQ each main and rod cap. Crank turns by hand with some slight resistance. Made sure the front of pistons were to the front, oil holes on rods towards cam, and all ring gaps measured in cyl and staggered. I used CRC black assembly lube. Light oil on cyl walls and piston rings. Only thing is, I dont have a dial guage to check crank endfloat. I did order and use new thrust washers. Thanks for looking. Mikek"


I believe that is wrong, even though it is counterintuitive. I believe the oil holes in the rods face away from the cam...but let someone smarter than me verify that for you....

Mar 01, 2010 15:34:19
mikek31

Haha, I hope so too. That would be a RPITA to remove the rods and pistons. Im gonna have to double check now. Mikek

Mar 01, 2010 15:45:10
mikek31

Quote: "
[quote=mikek31]
Just updating. I now have the crank and pistons installed. Everything went together well. Made sure to turn everthing 360 after TQ each main and rod cap. Crank turns by hand with some slight resistance. Made sure the front of pistons were to the front, oil holes on rods towards cam, and all ring gaps measured in cyl and staggered. I used CRC black assembly lube. Light oil on cyl walls and piston rings. Only thing is, I dont have a dial guage to check crank endfloat. I did order and use new thrust washers. Thanks for looking. Mikek"


I believe that is wrong, even though it is counterintuitive. I believe the oil holes in the rods face away from the cam...but let someone smarter than me verify that for you....[/quote]

I do believe you are correct Joe. I looked at a picture before I removed the pistons/rods and indeed they are away from the cam. I guess thats what I get for listening to a machine shop. Oh well at least the head isnt on yet. Thank you VERY MUCH for pointing that out. Could have been very bad.

Mar 01, 2010 15:50:52
tdecell

Wow! That looks good! Your engine should be proud to sit in there. Great job!

Mar 01, 2010 15:56:56
Steampunk92

What black paint did you use for your underhood components?

Yours Truly,
Sam

Mar 01, 2010 16:01:17
mikek31

Quote: "
What black paint did you use for your underhood components?

Yours Truly,
Sam"

I think it was a gloss black by Duplicolor. Acrylic paint If memory serves. Mikek

Mar 01, 2010 16:16:58
JoeReed

Quote: "
[quote=JoeReed]
[quote=mikek31]
Just updating. I now have the crank and pistons installed. Everything went together well. Made sure to turn everthing 360 after TQ each main and rod cap. Crank turns by hand with some slight resistance. Made sure the front of pistons were to the front, oil holes on rods towards cam, and all ring gaps measured in cyl and staggered. I used CRC black assembly lube. Light oil on cyl walls and piston rings. Only thing is, I dont have a dial guage to check crank endfloat. I did order and use new thrust washers. Thanks for looking. Mikek"


I believe that is wrong, even though it is counterintuitive. I believe the oil holes in the rods face away from the cam...but let someone smarter than me verify that for you....[/quote]

I do believe you are correct Joe. I looked at a picture before I removed the pistons/rods and indeed they are away from the cam. I guess thats what I get for listening to a machine shop. Oh well at least the head isnt on yet. Thank you VERY MUCH for pointing that out. Could have been very bad.[/quote]

You're welcome!! Here's the explanation of it from Steve Strange's very in depth article on the MGB engine....

"When installed, the oil squirt holes of the connecting rods must face the side of the engine opposite the camshaft to cool the
piston and lubricate the load bearing surfaces during the power stroke. Failure to do this will eventually result in extreme piston
pin wear within the piston itself, plus create the very real likelihood of piston failure, not to mention increased bore wear as well.
Positioning the connecting rods so that the oil squirt holes face the camshaft is not necessary as the camshaft receives excellent
lubrication from both the pressure galleries in which its journals spin plus residual oil flowing down the pushrod bores from the
rocker arm assembles, as well as oil sprayed from the crankshaft's main bearings and connecting rod big end bearings at the
crankshaft. Be aware that on some connecting rod bolts, only one side of the bolt head is chamfered to provide sufficient
clearance for the camshaft, so note this fact when you reassemble them."

Mar 01, 2010 16:21:40
mikek31

Joe. My rods use a 12 point nut for connection. I think my local shop told me that because Im guessing other engines do face taht way....not sure. I should have looked at my dissasembly pics I guess. Thanks again very much. I will change that this week and orient holes AWAY from cam, haha. Mikek

Apr 12, 2010 22:36:47
mikek31

Just updateing the thread....almost ready for the first start...Mikek

Apr 27, 2010 23:08:00
mikek31

Ok ladies and gents............she started. Had some slight issue with the carbs, but its a purrrin......Holding about 65psi at idle and no leaks ......so far, haha. Im gonna look over everything one more time and adjust a few things. Will post updates and pics soon. Mikek

May 01, 2010 17:46:09
dbuster

Looks awesome, very nice job! Where in Ak are you? I grew up in Eagle River and Palmer/Wasilla area

May 01, 2010 22:42:51
mikek31

And Done!!! Hope this motivates all...because I am honestly almost out of it. Its been a long process, but worth it. Mikek

May 01, 2010 22:46:04
mikek31

Oh yea, Gotta have a before pic...

May 02, 2010 06:54:06
dsbike

Very Nice!!!

May 02, 2010 07:39:15
comart45

Really beautiful

May 02, 2010 08:44:02
jewar

Looking good,Mike! I can't wait to get to the same stage that you are at.
John

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