Wonder how many here will fit the new classifications?
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/02/09/shyness-illness-in-dangerous-health-book-experts-say/?intcmp=obnetwork
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"Apathy Syndrome" is a mental illness? Guess I'm classifiable after all, but I really don't care.:o
I've been told I was mentally ill all my life but I've never let that stop me. In fact I wear it as a badge of honor.
I tend to be rather obstinate at times. I know, I know. You guys had no idea, right?!
The social stigma regarding mental illness certainly comes into play whenever issues like this are considered.
Say, we divide all illnesses into two groups, one being physical illness, and the other mental illness.
Just about any physical condition, some temporary, some chronic, and some fatal, are considered a physical illness, and usually have a treatment. This can range from a temporary itchy rash to a fatal heart condition.
When it comes to mental issues, there is a threshold below which people are very hessitant to call it an illness. People live with these conditions for years, or their entire lives, but unless it becomes a danger to other, or totally prevents their functioning in society, these issues are often not addressed.
Some people are bound to be more outgoing and confident, while others are going to be shy and have more social anxiety. These, among other things, are what make us unique, and it would be a very poor society if everyone acted and thought the same.
OTOH, and I'm not qualified to express much of an opinion beyond this, but sometimes it seems like some people may struggle their entire lives with a mental condition and never get any help because of the stigma about mental illness. Imagine having allergies your entire life and never getting them treated because of a social stigma!
...I still wet the bed.....OK well, not really...but I sure would like to...gettin up 3/4 times a nite to pee is insane.....
Yep been there done that and still have a bit left . But you just have to ask for a little help now and then with a good Doctor
Never lose sight of having a bit of fun most importantly.
And when some wacko judge decides because you are shy(a diagnosed mental illness) you are a threat to yourself and your family and has you committed for observation? All of a sudden you have lost your right to own a firearm.
And when some wacko judge decides because you are shy(a diagnosed mental illness) you are a threat to yourself and your family and has you committed for observation? All of a sudden you have lost your right to own a firearm.
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Gerry,be careful, you will bring down the wrath of those who would be king.....don't be paranoid...obsessive rules regs and tyrannical laws are part of a civil functioning society...you louzeanny boys sher is bakwerts....
And when some wacko judge decides because you are shy(a diagnosed mental illness) you are a threat to yourself and your family and has you committed for observation? All of a sudden you have lost your right to own a firearm.
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My ex is a psycologist and I think she's pretty good at it. She never did come up with a formal diagnosis on me though. She just says I went nuts. >:D<
And when some wacko judge decides because you are shy(a diagnosed mental illness) you are a threat to yourself and your family and has you committed for observation? All of a sudden you have lost your right to own a firearm.
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Gerry, I'm just curious why you were reading articles on mental illness.
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And when some wacko judge decides because you are shy(a diagnosed mental illness) you are a threat to yourself and your family and has you committed for observation? All of a sudden you have lost your right to own a firearm.
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Gerry, I'm just curious why you were reading articles on mental illness.
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.....tryin to decide which party to register with come November...
And when some wacko judge decides because you are shy(a diagnosed mental illness) you are a threat to yourself and your family and has you committed for observation? All of a sudden you have lost your right to own a firearm.
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paranoia is a mental illness, right?
[quote=Gerry,1981814,1981871]
And when some wacko judge decides because you are shy(a diagnosed mental illness) you are a threat to yourself and your family and has you committed for observation? All of a sudden you have lost your right to own a firearm.
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paranoia is a mental illness, right?
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...paranoia is two no trump........
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[quote=Gerry,1981814,1981871]
And when some wacko judge decides because you are shy(a diagnosed mental illness) you are a threat to yourself and your family and has you committed for observation? All of a sudden you have lost your right to own a firearm.
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paranoia is a mental illness, right?
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...paranoia is two no trump........
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No, paranoia is Trump near the Federal Treasury:I3:
[quote=Gerry,1981814,1981871]
And when some wacko judge decides because you are shy(a diagnosed mental illness) you are a threat to yourself and your family and has you committed for observation? All of a sudden you have lost your right to own a firearm.
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Sly, I have seen a judge award kids to a mother who cheated on her husband, used drugs and was abusive to her husband instead of awarding them to a man who has worked the same job for 25 years, did not smoke or drink and owned a house free and clear. I have seen a judge award the same woman half of his retirement savings of 25 years even she was married to him for only 5 years and make him pay the 40% penalty for withdrawing it from the 401K. I have seen another man picked up at work and taken straight to jail, then to a mental facility because his wife's boyfriend claimed that he attacked him. I have seen a judge take a house from a husband and give it to a wife even though the husband bought and paid for the house before they were even married. Yes, Sly, I believe that judges do things that I would never believe that they would do.
How about this case?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/10/anne-sessions-oregon-octogenarian-suing-debt-collector-fake-suicide_n_1269267.html?icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl1|sec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D134705
Woman taken against her will and forced to pay the costs because of bill collector's lie
I don't suffer from insanity.
I enjoy every minute of it!
B)-
BobbyG
amazing. some people will defend cops even after watching a video of the cops beating someone, yet are willing believe other "stories".
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[quote=Gerry,1981814,1981871]
And when some wacko judge decides because you are shy(a diagnosed mental illness) you are a threat to yourself and your family and has you committed for observation? All of a sudden you have lost your right to own a firearm.
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Sly, I have seen a judge award kids to a mother who cheated on her husband, used drugs and was abusive to her husband instead of awarding them to a man who has worked the same job for 25 years, did not smoke or drink and owned a house free and clear. I have seen a judge award the same woman half of his retirement savings of 25 years even she was married to him for only 5 years and make him pay the 40% penalty for withdrawing it from the 401K. I have seen another man picked up at work and taken straight to jail, then to a mental facility because his wife's boyfriend claimed that he attacked him. I have seen a judge take a house from a husband and give it to a wife even though the husband bought and paid for the house before they were even married. Yes, Sly, I believe that judges do things that I would never believe that they would do.
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Is this about guns or something else. The example you use is your take and its been my experience to know there is two sides to a story then theres the truth.
Two of the highest compliments I have ever recieved are:
1. "You're an independent little bastard."
2. "You're your own worst enemy."
Fill out a 4473 and if you answer that you have been determined to have a mental illness (among other complaints) you are inelegible to purchase, own, transfer, or recieve a regulated firearm.
So, yeah. There are compelling reasons to not attract attention to any percieved mental illness (or other complaint).
Two of the highest compliments I have ever recieved are:
1. "You're an independent little bastard."
2. "You're your own worst enemy."
Fill out a 1044 and if you answer that you have been determined to have a mental illness (among other complaints) you are inelegible to purchase, own, transfer, or recieve a regulated firearm.
So, yeah. There are compelling reasons to not attract attention to any percieved mental illness (or other complaint).
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So what are you telling us Jim?? That if someone has been diagnosed with mental illness then that person should keep that fact private so they can own firearms
No, Sly, it's about definitions that can be used against someone in a court of law to deprive him of his personal liberties.
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[quote=slywelder,1981814,1981922]
[quote=Gerry,1981814,1981871]
And when some wacko judge decides because you are shy(a diagnosed mental illness) you are a threat to yourself and your family and has you committed for observation? All of a sudden you have lost your right to own a firearm.
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Sly, I have seen a judge award kids to a mother who cheated on her husband, used drugs and was abusive to her husband instead of awarding them to a man who has worked the same job for 25 years, did not smoke or drink and owned a house free and clear. I have seen a judge award the same woman half of his retirement savings of 25 years even she was married to him for only 5 years and make him pay the 40% penalty for withdrawing it from the 401K. I have seen another man picked up at work and taken straight to jail, then to a mental facility because his wife's boyfriend claimed that he attacked him. I have seen a judge take a house from a husband and give it to a wife even though the husband bought and paid for the house before they were even married. Yes, Sly, I believe that judges do things that I would never believe that they would do.
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Is this about guns or something else. The example you use is your take and its been my experience to know there is two sides to a story then theres the truth.
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So gerry if s person is found to be suffering from some sort of mental illness you think that being denied the right to own a firearm is depriving them there personal liberty's
So gerry if s person is found to be suffering from some sort of mental illness you think that being denied the right to own a firearm is depriving them there personal liberty's
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That's the law, Steve.
And we've now reached the top of the slope, should be all downhill from here.
And we've now reached the top of the slope, should be all downhill from here.
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Good ....I like to go fast.X(
The correct form is 4473, I apologise for the error. I edited my original post above.
http://www.atf.gov/applications/e4473/download.html
So gerry if s person is found to be suffering from some sort of mental illness you think that being denied the right to own a firearm is depriving them there personal liberty's
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It's all a matter of definition. Should someone who is labeled "shy" be banned from owning a firearm? Or someone who has recently lost a loved one and is grieving? Or someone who spends more than the acceptable amount of time on the internet? Or maybe someone who just likes to aggravate other people? I wonder what else these newly categorized as "mentally ill" people will lose? The right to marry and raise children? The right to raise their own children? The right to decide what their own medical treatment should be? Where does it stop? Perhaps there is even a label to classify mentally ill anyone who disagrees with current governmental policy? Saddly, this is not about currently acceptable categories of mental illness, it's about adding more categories to pigeonhole people who are now considered to be eccentric or moody so that others control their lives
If any one of us had to defend their "sanity" we would become agitated, paranoid and perhaps angry. That would lead an otherwise impartial observer to question ones sanity.
If you buy the various theories of psychology, we all have what are known as defense mechanisms that make us "feel better" about ouselves. Defense mechanisms when taken as a whole, are considered essential to a well rounded mental condition.
Events in our lives sometimes temporarily cause certain defense mechanisms to overwhelm the equilibrium, and cause us to act irrationally. Some mental issues are temorary, caused by circumstances. Some are not temporary.
To increasingly classify behavior as a DSM "illness" (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders), now in it's 5th revision since it was introduced in 1952, is to create both a comprehensive tool and a potential weapon.
I'm not particularly into conspiracy theories, but with the Defense Appropriation Act of 2011 (allows the military to detain US citizens suspected of terrorism without charges or right of habeus corpus), plus new "diagnoses" from an accepted authority, the framework is in place for extrajudicial rendition of citizens who may not agree with, and perhaps comment on, certain government policies.
...don't get me goin on this stuff...here ya go greasy....B)-..da man
http://isepp.wordpress.com/2011/08/30/dr-thomas-szasz-professor-of-psychiatry-emeritus/
Believe it or not - there are some doctors that didn't want to be. They were pushed into it by their doctor parents, usually fathers.
They reach a point in their careers where they have to either gut it out for the rest of their lives, or choose another specialty. A few even quit, however that isn't usually seen as an alternative.
There is a "joke" among medical types about psychiatrists. They decided at some point that they didn't want to be doctors - they didn't want to touch anyone, so they became psychiatrists:
"I'll listen to any $#!^ you have to say, but I'm not going to touch you."
Another choice is pathologist - their patients never complain die.
And, there is a "specialty" known as administrative medicine - they don't touch people either.
Gerry, It is currently against Alabama law to marry a crazy person. If they change that law I will marry my woman.
[quote=slywelder,1981814,1982182]
So gerry if s person is found to be suffering from some sort of mental illness you think that being denied the right to own a firearm is depriving them there personal liberty's
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It's all a matter of definition. Should someone who is labeled "shy" be banned from owning a firearm? Or someone who has recently lost a loved one and is grieving? Or someone who spends more than the acceptable amount of time on the internet? Or maybe someone who just likes to aggravate other people? I wonder what else these newly categorized as "mentally ill" people will lose? The right to marry and raise children? The right to raise their own children? The right to decide what their own medical treatment should be? Where does it stop? Perhaps there is even a label to classify mentally ill anyone who disagrees with current governmental policy? Saddly, this is not about currently acceptable categories of mental illness, it's about adding more categories to pigeonhole people who are now considered to be eccentric or moody so that others control their lives
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You took a topic that had merit and was a reason for concern and turned it into a gun issue. Other than that id probably agree that catorizeing a person who is excessively shy ect is nonesense
Gerry, It is currently against Alabama law to marry a crazy person. If they change that law I will marry my woman.
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You mean she will marry you.:devil:
Steve -
Gerry related bull$#!^ psychology to something that is real to him (and me) and you asked if he really believes it.
His (our) opinion has no less merit than anyone elses.
Sure didn't take you long to figure that out...you must have read some of my postings.
OK, som silly answers on page 1 at least. I have no qualms about admitting to Manic Depressions boardingm on Bipolar, Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome and ADD/ADHD.
And people wonder why I work for a Cable Company.
Re the firearm comment - if this is the case half of the returned servicemen (including me) should not have firearms. I passed both a mental check-up and the Concealed course in order to own and carry if I desire.
"Re the firearm comment - if this is the case half of the returned servicemen (including me) should not have firearms. I passed both a mental check-up and the Concealed course in order to own and carry if I desire."
Also includes anyone who has been through an in-house substance abuse program, as I have-25 years ago
It is not right to penalize someone for doing the "right" thing, regardless of the context.
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Police-Officer-Shot-Brooklyn-370-Bushwick-138450134.html----------------------Yeah tell me how you care about cops getting shot wounded and killed and then present this bullshit argument. Now you bring in veterans and people who had dependecey arguments. Just pathic but why should i be surprised
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Police-Officer-Shot-Brooklyn-370-Bushwick-138450134.html----------------------Yeah tell me how you care about cops getting shot wounded and killed and then present this bullshit argument. Now you bring in veterans and people who had dependecey arguments. Just pathic but why should i be surprised
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Gee, Sly, how would you feel if being gay was suddenly classified as a mental illness along with being anti-social and spending too much time on the internet?
.....http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/58/1/85 now couple this with my earlier link...and then take two aspirin and get some rest....Dr Dads orders....
http://isepp.wordpress.com/2011/08/30/dr-thomas-szasz-professor-of-psychiatry-emeritus/
Cool off sly,answer the question. You seem to support the classifying of being uncomfortable with crowds and excessive internet use or substance abuse treatment 25 years ago as mentally ill. Is that your view?
It is concieveable that some day merely expressing a desire to own a firearm could be viewed as a mental illness.
It is concieveable that some day merely expressing a desire to own a firearm could be viewed as a mental illness.
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Or the desire to change the way a government rules it's citizens or even the desire to seek the truth over someone's propaganda. What better way to silence the opposition than declaring them mentally ill and remove them or their rights from society?
...JimK ....my recent Ebay excursion after I placed a 1960 Daisy BB gun on an Ebay aution...
your portents are right on...check this out...and their BS line of "reasoning"...
"You recently listed the following listing:
200712448375 - DAISY MODEL 25 PUMP BB GUN
Unfortunately, we had to remove your listing because of the following:
eBay does not permit the sale of BB guns, air guns, pellet guns, air pistols, cork guns, or pop guns. These are different from airsoft guns, which are allowed. We have decided to prohibit Items that operate a lot like a real firearm, because of various federal or state laws surrounding these items.
We know it is frustrating to have your item removed, but I must ask you not to relist your item.
If you see other similar items on the site, those listings are also in violation as well. Please report other listings that you see to us to be reviewed by using the 'report item' link on the right hand side of every listing.
Because of various laws and regulations involving the sale of weapons, most types of weapons can't be listed on eBay. So, for example, we don't allow listings for:
-- Air guns
-- BB guns
-- Black powder guns
-- Muzzle loader guns
But it's OK to sell airsoft guns, cap guns, replica guns, toy guns, or other imitation firearms, as long as:
-- The item has a blaze orange marking or a blaze orange barrel plug permanently attached to it. This is required even if your item didn't have it originally.
-- The item can't be converted to shoot a projectile.
-- Any pictures in your listing need to show your actual item--not a stock photo.
-- Your pictures need to show your item as a whole, not just part of or a close up of it. So, for example, don't just show the tip of a toy gun--you need to show the whole thing.
-- The item, seller, and buyer are located in the US.
-- The item is shipped only within the US.
-- Paintball guns may be listed without a blaze orange marking, as long as they're in the Sporting Goods > Outdoor Sports > Paintball categories and can only shoot paintballs. The listing must describe the item as a paintball gun--not as a firearm. Also, the item, seller, and buyer must be located in the US, and the item must be shipped within the US.
For more information on our policy, go to:
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Please note: violation of this or other eBay policies may result in forfeit of eBay fees on cancelled listings, limits on account privileges and account suspension.
You can review our list of prohibited and restricted items here:
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If you have any more questions, contact our policy experts. Get started by clicking the link below.
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Thanks,
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Cool off sly,answer the question. You seem to support the classifying of being uncomfortable with crowds and excessive internet use or substance abuse treatment 25 years ago as mentally ill. Is that your view?
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substance abuse treatment 25 yrs ago i dont think would qualify as menatlly ill,thats my opinion for what its worth. The other things you wrote i dont know what your talking about. But here's what i do know, this post started out i thought as i thread about how some health care professional want to classify every litte hang up as mental diease. Simple people like myself might not agree and as ive read im not alone. The gun remarks were bought up by you and if you are a shy person who likes to go hunting i dont see why you should be denyied a firearm which is currently the case.It was yourself who painted this parnoid nonesense. By thats ok your entitled to your opinion and i thought it was just another civil argument we have all the time. You and let me be clear,it was you who pushed my button with the word "gay" you knew dam well what you were doing and saying. I just learned all i need to know and to others who were offended by my using a curse word on the Lords day please except my appoligies.
Wyatt, get a marshmallow, paint it orange, stick it on the end of the gun, and relist
[quote="Jim K,1981814,1982840"]
It is concieveable that some day merely expressing a desire to own a firearm could be viewed as a mental illness.
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Or the desire to change the way a government rules it's citizens or even the desire to seek the truth over someone's propaganda. What better way to silence the opposition than declaring them mentally ill and remove them or their rights from society?
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As I posted earlier - the framework is in place.
...JimK ....my recent Ebay excursion after I placed a 1960 Daisy BB gun on an Ebay aution...
your portents are right on...check this out...and their BS line of "reasoning"...
We know it is frustrating to have your item removed, but I must ask you not to relist your item.
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"Ebay Item Removal Disorder"
Perhaps the fact that someone spends time on Ebay may be a future disorder as well?
Or watching Nascar? or football? I've known some guys that could not function on Sundays without football to watch-they'd go into depression during the off season
[quote=wyatt,1981814,1982856]
...JimK ....my recent Ebay excursion after I placed a 1960 Daisy BB gun on an Ebay aution...
your portents are right on...check this out...and their BS line of "reasoning"...
We know it is frustrating to have your item removed, but I must ask you not to relist your item.
"
"Ebay Item Removal Disorder"
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...or ebaymucile......
Someone afraid of snakes in the woods isn't mentally ill.
Someone afraid of snakes in his bathtub is.
Someone afraid of snakes in the woods isn't mentally ill.
Someone afraid of snakes in his bathtub is.
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Totally dependent on whether the snakes in the tub are real or imagined.
Sometimes when I walk behind a beautiful woman I get mentally unbalanced. When I sniff the air flowing off of her I get more mentally unbalanced. This mental illness can only be treated one way, but some will slap the hell out of you if you try. Mental illness is my only defense should I find myself in court.
All I can say is that at some point we all "suffer" ... and stray from the norm. The assertation of a disorder is (i think) based on a person remaining compromised for an unusually long period of time or cycling through repetitive bouts of said behaviour.
The thing that I would like to ask is - what scientific research has been done to substantiate their reasoning for including these new descriptions in the DSM? The classic example of the categorization of homosexuality as a normal behaviour in the psychology circle, was not premised on scientific research, but rather on placing votes.
As already, mentioned, it becomes suspicious when certain protocols are abandoned when identifying/ naming disorders and to what end or purpose?
Signed,
MG ADDHD pshyco,MG neurotic,GM phobic,british,american bipolar,schizoid,typo,hypo, MG obsessive, compulsive,MGFfff,turret,G,A,B,B,Y - YA delusional soul.
There is a pill for everything... if you watch TV long enough you will be able to find a pill that will work for you.. but ask your doctor if its right for you, if you have XYZ... though it may not be right for you.. side effects include.....
[quote="Rod H.,1981814,1982993"]
Someone afraid of snakes in the woods isn't mentally ill.
Someone afraid of snakes in his bathtub is.
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Totally dependent on whether the snakes in the tub are real or imagined.
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Imagined in both cases. :D
[quote=slywelder,1981814,1982182]
So gerry if s person is found to be suffering from some sort of mental illness you think that being denied the right to own a firearm is depriving them there personal liberty's
"
It's all a matter of definition. Should someone who is labeled "shy" be banned from owning a firearm? Or someone who has recently lost a loved one and is grieving? Or someone who spends more than the acceptable amount of time on the internet? Or maybe someone who just likes to aggravate other people? I wonder what else these newly categorized as "mentally ill" people will lose? The right to marry and raise children? The right to raise their own children? The right to decide what their own medical treatment should be? Where does it stop? Perhaps there is even a label to classify mentally ill anyone who disagrees with current governmental policy? Saddly, this is not about currently acceptable categories of mental illness, it's about adding more categories to pigeonhole people who are now considered to be eccentric or moody so that others control their lives
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Since it's all a matter a definition... maybe you should read the generally accepted grounds for the legal community to make a finding of incompetence... rather than making up your own, or worse taking something posted on FAUX News.
http://www.ncids.org/Other%20Manuals/Guardianship%20Manual/Chapter%206.pdf
While a person may be diagnosed with a mental illness... for a person to be judged incompetent it must be shown in a legal preceding that the person is unable to manage their own affairs, not just "shy".
A rather thinly veiled attempt at starting a political thread wasn't this? I thought you were one of the people who pushed to close the "cess pool" of the OTP forum?
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