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Feb 03, 2012 17:49:17
Daniel Barenboym

Hello everyone. I just bought what I thought was a MG Midget. At least that's what it says on the Title (actually two old titles). After I posted a couple of comments and a picture in the MG Midget Forum someone set me straight by telling me that I actually have an MGB. after checking against the VIN I DO!!!

So now I am here. I am new to the MGB's and car rebuilds restores all together. I know a little something about cars but not nearly enough. I am extremely handy so that's a plus.

bought a 77 MGB. Planing to completely disassemble it, fix the body and start from scratch installing a nice set of upgrades. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I would love to know what books are a must have. I am interested in rebuilding it with a nice set of upgrades, better power, breaks, interior, not sure what else. would love to have a book that speaks about all possible upgrades and makes recommendations.

Thanks you

Dan

P.S. a copy of the car is attached if anyone is interested.

Feb 03, 2012 17:55:22
Bryan73

Hey Dan

Grats on the car. There is a Library link in the left menu that has some great reads. Welcome and grats again.

Bryan





Feb 03, 2012 18:00:12
dickmoritz

Welcome from Philadelphia, Dan. Nice picture. Which one is you? :D

Dick

Feb 03, 2012 18:09:56
James74

Hi Daniel and welcome to the forum, No need to hide the spitfire next to your new B.

James

Feb 03, 2012 18:40:17
69GT

Welcome!!!

Feb 03, 2012 18:46:47
Bobag

Welcome to the club Dan -

You'll get tons of info from this site. My recommendation is to take it slowly. I've had my B for a little over a year and I still feel like I'm in the 'getting to know you' stage with it.

Congrats

Feb 03, 2012 18:49:20
29desoto

Unless it's seriously broken, drive it for a while. Don't get in a rush to tear it apart!

It might just surprize you.

Feb 03, 2012 18:56:18
WESTMIC

Welcome to B ownership!

Did you know you share names with a famous pianist/conductor?

Feb 03, 2012 19:08:10
steve4067

Welcome aboard!

Feb 03, 2012 19:10:41
steve4067

Dan, there are a few guys from MA on the forum. I am sure they will reach out to you!

Steve. ... ex Rhode Islander in Indiana Colts country who is a Pats fan again this week!

Feb 03, 2012 20:21:14
Peter-Sherman

Dropping the ride height back to the chrome bumper ride height, or thereabouts, is a popular way to improve the handling. There are two main approaches and if you go the much easier route of lowered springs you should use significantly upgraded front springs and a heavier/thicker front antisway bar to limit any bumpsteer. This works for me. I'm using a 7/8" front antiswaybar and my front springs are about 30% harder than standard, which does not noticeably effect ride comfort. The rear springs should be kept soft and the antisway bar removed as at that lower ride height it is more of a minus than a plus. You should make sure that you have at least 2.5" of free travel below the rear rubber bump stop, at ride height, to prevent premature contact and snap over steer in corners. If necessary, cut a bit off the rubber, easy.
Moss sell a really neat adjustable front antiswaybar that adjusts from 3/4" to 7/8" , the two most popular upgrade sizes. You would be very lucky to pick the right antisway bar, first go (it took me two attempts) So irrespective of dropping the ride height this antisway bar is a good move.
The other more difficult, and technically better, approach to lowering, is to fit a chrome bumper front crossmemeber. There are difficulties and expense in doing this wrt the steering, I'll leave this for others who have done it to explain. With a bit of luck they will post a photo or two.
Front Shockers-Peter at world wide shockers sells adjustable armstrongs, better than factory original. I'm going to get a set at some stage.
Rear shockers-there are various kits to change to tubular. Some brands have a reputation for being much too hard (eg spax). The GAZ adjustables (32 settings)look good. I've got a set in the cupboard. Currently I'm using British automotives KYB's. http://www.mgbmga.com/ (the technical section is well worth a read through).
Others may disagree, but I feel that putting tubular shocks on the front just introduces another linkage. You lose what you gain. On the rear is OK, it's a more direct attachment, direct to axle.

POWER
Super charging is becoming popular. You can buy Off the shelf kits for this from Moss.
http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=37878
or these guys if you you want more power and are prepared to rebuild the motor
http://www.hi-flow.com/

Of course a supercharger is never going to compete with the tremendous torque and easy drivability, of a V8. The rubber bumper cars (yours) have identical engine compartments, bulkheads, engine mounts, steering and radiator cores, to the mg V8 that was produced in the mid 70's. The engine that the factory used was the Buick derived alloy Rover V8. Actually about 50lbs lighter than the 4 cylinder 1800. This same engine was continued in the Rovers and Range rovers until very recently although the more recent engines are much more powerful and economical (efi) than in 1975.
So you can put a relatively Modern Rover motor (AKA MGB V8 motor) in your MGB with off the shelf engine brackets etc without in any way adversely effecting its originality or value. Quite the reverse as per the value. The diff' back axle is well up to handling the power although you should put anti tramp bars on, which is not a big deal.
Here are a range of V8 conversions. The local parlance calls it "turning to the dark side of the force" Turn young Skywalker...turrn..
http://www.britishv8.org/Photos-MG-Conversions.htm
scroll down a bit.
and http://www.mgcars.org.uk/v8_conversions/rogv8.html

Feb 03, 2012 21:18:12
forestghost07

Welcome Dan! :)-D I could not care for and feed my MGB without the help of these GREAT people here!
You'll have all the help you need just take it slow :)

Feb 03, 2012 22:11:00
spikemichael

YAY DAN!

You should get in touch I 'll happily spend a little time on the phone with you and get you up to speed on the area MG sources, guys, clubs and fun stuff.

PM me.

Feb 03, 2012 22:35:13
Makngtrax

Welcome Dan !!

Ya. I bought "a miget" two years ago too.........B-) And have learned alot here since. Some really Great folks
that know their stuff..

J.R.

Feb 04, 2012 06:39:26
Albert

Hi Dan and welcome!

Check out the Boston Area MG Club online. We have a lot of interesting events throughout the year and it can be an excellent resource for help with your car if you need it.

Best,

Albert

Feb 04, 2012 06:46:38
mk2sprite

Dan
Congrats on the '77
I would seriously consider getting it in sound mechanical condition first and drive as you restore.
Way too many cars get taken apart and never put back together.
Enjoy it first then plan it out.

Feb 04, 2012 08:31:52
Daniel Barenboym

WOW!!! Thanks everyone for the responses. So many great comments and ideas I don't even know where to begin. But I'll try to answer as much as I can in some type of order.

A few people have suggested driving it first to see what condition the car is in. However I don't think I can do that. The problem is that I think the car was ether under water or exposed to elements for some time. The engine turn over but just about everything else is a complete mess. Radiator was leaking, fuel tank was gone, faulty wiring, shot breaks and I am sure many more other problems. The way I figures is that If i go the fix it first rout I will spent the next 3 month just trying to get it running and then with my luck it will keep on breaking every week and all I'll be doing is buying parts and getting it going. SO I made a decision to take everything off and do it from scratch. That's what I will do.

Someone said to me that there are two lines of thought, restore to original specs or upgrade to new systems. They said that I will not see any benefit in value or functionality by original restore on a 77 and suggested that I go the upgrade road. I AGREE. I am now going to be looking and reading on the upgrade packages for the MGB's. I want power, change the rubber bumbers, upgrade audio, change upholstery, upgrade the breaks, not sure about the carb or the engine (v8 would be cool but might be too expensive). I am sure there are plenty other upgrade that I dont even know about

What I am scared of most is the underbelly of the car. I am doing this in my garage and don't have an easy access to under the car. I wonder if the metal body comes off the chase. that would make it easier for me to work on and upgrade the whole system.

I have already joined the Facebook club for MASS MGB club. But really need to get to go to a few meets and get to know people.

Thanks Again
GO PATS

Feb 04, 2012 11:04:31
subman478

Danial,
welcome to the site you've come to the right place, these folks are really helpful. I too bought a 77B and having a great time working on

good luck
Bill

Feb 04, 2012 11:22:57
speeddevil68

Dan, there is no Chassis on an MGB the body is the integral structure, so if there is a lot of rot on the under body - mainly sills and transmission tunnel then you have a lot of structural work on your hands.

Feb 04, 2012 13:04:39
ClayJ

Welcome. I would start with an inspection and budgeting. (After that, shred and burn the budget ;) )

Feb 04, 2012 17:20:27
Peter-Sherman

You can buy fuel tanks new. Spectra in Canada make them.

Moss have most parts you will need,
http://www.mossmotors.com/Browse/ComponentMenuProducts.aspx?WebCatalogID=8&PlateTypeID=1

Mikes rebuild shows lots of underbody repair detail on an MGB similar to yours. Lots of really good detailed photos. A light colour so you can see easily. Scroll down a bit. His is a rubber bumper car body converted to chrome bumpers. You can tell by the deep spring hangers, single battery compartment and the cutoff front rubber bumper mounts.
http://www.britishv8.org/MG/MikeAlexander.htm
I don't own a rotisserie, I make do with a decent trolley jack and stands.
Here is an article on chrome bumper conversion.
http://webspace.webring.com/people/rp/paulhird/mgb_chrome/


The brakes on MGB's are pretty good to begin with. Unless you are racing they are more than good enough. Just make sure they are in good condition. New rear cylinders are quite cheap. Getting the air out of the rear brake lines is usually a bit difficult. Pumping alone usually doesn't work, I had to use a big syringe to get most of the air out, then I could pump out the last traces.
Putting on larger alloy wheels with better tyres should be your first brake improvement move, bigger brakes aren't going to do much unless they have suitable tyres to grip the road. I'm using 15 by 6 inch superlites with one inch positive offset and 195 by 60 michelin tyres. These are the largest size that will fit under factory standard rear guards.
If you do decide to upgrade your brakes you can get better pads etc.
http://trf.zeni.net/MGB-GC/90.php?s_wt=1280&s_ht=800
or these are the best I've seen
http://www.classicconversionseng.com/MGB-Big-Brake-Kits.htm
Bill posts frequently on the engine conversion part of this site. He does a V6 conversion kit as well. In Australia that would instantly devalue your car, but in America I'm told it is not a problem (you will need to confirm this) and might be your best option.

Feb 04, 2012 18:29:23
awest

Hi Daniel,

Where in Mass are you? I am in the Berkshires and would be glad to reach out if you are close enough. I am little concerned that you mentioned that you thought the car was "underwater". These cars are very prone to the rust-bug. Try to find someone near by who has knowledge of these cars before you get in over your head financially and emotionally....both VERY easy to do. If you are near me, I would be glad to help.

Feb 05, 2012 09:20:06
Dez

Welcome. I am about 10 minutes south of Boston and always looking to work on cars (mine or others) if you need an extra set of hands. There is also a guy near me who restores MG's in his spare time who has really helped me out. There are usually a few shows at the Lars Anderson museum in Boston during the summer months that have a good turnout.

Feb 05, 2012 11:54:15
LucyMac

Welcome! Lots of good people and loads of information here!
Sue

Mar 23, 2012 20:14:51
az76mgb

Invest in gunk and brake cleaner, these cars are pigs!

Mar 23, 2012 23:19:59
calnegtdriver

what he said !

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