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Oct 02, 2007 10:40:49
Naomi

I know these pictures are terrible but I need your help. One of my friends here ( but not near the location of the engine ) has told me about this one complete with transmisson. I've talked to the seller he says it has less that 20K miles on it since being rebuilt. Reason for selling is he is installing a V8 in the car. He says it is a 77 but I thought the fans were suppose to be in front of the radiator. Anyway the beginning price for engine, transmission, radiator, etc., and him having it start and run on the floor before purchase is $200.00 and a few hours trip for the hubby and I.

Here are the pictures he sent me. Said they were taken before the engine was pulled and he had a bunch of dust floating around which is why the pictures are bad.


Your turn :)

Oct 02, 2007 10:46:10
BumbleB74

Looks like the fans are in front on the 2nd picture. They must have added another fan for good luck.

Alloy valve cover too!





Oct 02, 2007 10:48:45
Michael Fliegel

If it has OD, buy it immediately.

Oct 02, 2007 10:51:40
Limey

Like Michael said - if it has O/D it is a bargain, if it doesn't, then I wouldn't go over $100.

Oct 02, 2007 11:05:07
chuck cougill

Naomi, it once had A/C which is why there is an extra fan. My LE is set up the same way

Oct 02, 2007 13:25:43
GILMGA

If you dont want it maybe Jeff Coe does he is looking for engine. Where is it.

Oct 02, 2007 13:40:50
wyatt

Limey, wont go over a hundred! whew...you are a thrifty shopper.

I think I owe you a $19.00 refund.

Oct 02, 2007 13:43:00
pmittler

C'mon guys. A running engine with 20k on it and a tranny is certainly worth more than $100.

Oct 02, 2007 13:50:33
Naomi

Oh, add in a 6 to 7 hour round trip in the hubby's truck which gets at best maybe 15 MPG. Maybe even a stay over at some motel if we stay there too long getting it all loaded. Still a deal? :)

Oct 02, 2007 14:18:24
balloonist

If you look at the trip and over nighter as a partial adventure the whole thing is well worth it.

Mike

Oct 02, 2007 14:31:45
moreso74

Wellll...... blast from the past -- Hello Chuck - how goes it?

Naomi - If the head is any good you have almost covered your cost right there. I would try to bargain down to $150.00 just to test his pricing resolve.

Oct 02, 2007 14:33:45
Paul Brown

I've never seen a thermostat housing like that one.

Oct 02, 2007 15:09:04
dennis70

Sounds like it would be fun, stay overnight, dinner, MG parts, Dennis70

Oct 02, 2007 15:38:53
DonW

Like he said, if the head isn't cracked, go for it and enjoy the ride. Also, it never hurts to offer less. By the way, is that an alloy valve cover?

Oct 02, 2007 16:11:01
losmorob

That radiator hose is worth $200.00 alone. :)

Oct 02, 2007 16:12:56
Walk

dennis70 Wrote:

Quote: "
Sounds like it would be fun, stay overnight, dinner, MG parts, Dennis70
"


1. Stay overnight - sleep in the truck - save $100
2. Have a nice dinner at MD ($10 bucks) - same $90

Total saving $190 that will just about pay for the engine:)

Just Kidding- but there was a time long ago when we would have done that.

BTW, I think it is a good deal even at $200

Oct 02, 2007 17:47:09
Naomi

Last question: Is there any possibility it could be a Midget engine? The reason I ask is the guy doesn't know anything about MGs other than this one was drove into his shop and he pulled the engine, did some welding, put a V8 in the car, and painted it. When I asked him on the phone if it have overdive he didn't know and when I asked what carb it had on it he had to walk over to the motor and then said over the phone "it says Zenith something". He did say that he could start it up on the floor to show that it runs fine.

Your turn again :)

Oct 02, 2007 18:13:36
jdeluke137

Could you even get a V8 in a Midget engine bay? Has it been done? Is the person that did it still alive?

Oct 02, 2007 18:20:32
lbcnut

Definitely a B engine. Just look at the pictures of it and you can tell.

Oct 02, 2007 19:06:15
mowog1

jdeluke137 Wrote:

Quote: "
Could you even get a V8 in a Midget engine bay? Has it been done? Is the person that did it still alive?
"


Yes.

And yes.

And yes.

Car resides near Kansas City if I remember correctly.

Oct 02, 2007 19:21:48
blackmgb

I have a motor and transmission that you can have for $100 and I am in Winston. Tranny is a 4 synchro and motor was running when removed from a '75 with 90k miles.

There is not a radiator or a dizzy, but it's close and already out of the car.

Of course I don't know what you need or what shape you want it in. PM if interested.


Oct 02, 2007 19:39:35
mac townsend

Naomi Wrote:

Quote: "
Maybe even a stay over at some motel if we stay there too long getting it all loaded. Still a deal?
"


And that's not an inducement?

My wife will go most anywhere, even in the MG (which she really isn't comfortable in) if we'll be motelling at the end of the day! Vacation!

On the engine, make purchase contingent on bearing inspection. Yank off the pan and pop a couple rod bearings and a rear main. If they don't look 20,000 miles, get one heck ova discount. Take out a lifter and look for corrosion on the face.

BTW, a rebuilt engine that sits for a long time will likely develop corrosion that requires a complete freshening. This cost must be considered when offering for the engine.

Same as a car that ran when parked a decade ago.

Oct 02, 2007 20:10:26
lbcnut

Mac, good luck finding someone who will let you tear apart their engine to see if has any wear on it before you hand them the cash. It is a used engine, so just be conscious of that. It isn't a big deal. I've given them away before. $100 to $200 sounds about right for that one. If you need it, then go for it, pay the price, and be happy. If you don't need it, then why would you consider driving 2 or 3 hours just to have it sit around and collect dust?

Oct 03, 2007 04:26:47
underdog

lbcnut Wrote:

Quote: "
Mac, good luck finding someone who will let you tear apart their engine to see if has any wear on it before you hand them the cash. It is a used engine, so just be conscious of that. It isn't a big deal. I've given them away before. $100 to $200 sounds about right for that one. If you need it, then go for it, pay the price, and be happy. If you don't need it, then why would you consider driving 2 or 3 hours just to have it sit around and collect dust?
"


Yeah, If I was selling it for 200 bucks, hearing it run is probably even more trouble than I'd be willing to do out of the car. Good point about needing it. Course I shouldn't talk, I have spares of everything. I love road trips so I'd probably go for it. Forget the OD dream. I seriously doubt the owner that had the V8 installed would be dumb enough to give away an OD trany.

Oct 03, 2007 06:11:18
BumbleB74

I don't doubt it is an MGB. The midget has a very different heater box arrangement,
among many other things.

Oct 03, 2007 06:14:56
wyatt

The guy wants it gone. To him 200 bucks is fair. To some one who has the time and knows MG's the engine/trans combo is worth much more in parts. The exh/int manifold for instance, if not cracked I sell them to a shop for $150.00 and they get $200+ for them when they install them on customers cars. Heads/ working carbs,polution stuff,good used starters,dists,etc. Forum members here know where the rescources are.Not every one does.Its supply and demand, and quite fair. So yes Naomi, if it is as represented, its a very good deal.

Oct 03, 2007 06:27:11
Limey

wyatt Wrote:

Quote: "
Limey, wont go over a hundred! whew...you are a thrifty shopper.
I think I owe you a $19.00 refund.
"


LOL - Let me know when I can come over and pick it up! ;)

In the last five years I have bought three engines - and haven't paid over $100 yet! However, they were all "unknown" as far as condition goes. One did have a cracked cylinder head, but otherwise was in good shape. The other two have good heads, but one block would need about a 0.1" overbore to get rid of the scoring (I scrapped it).

Typically, I wouldn't recommend buying unknown engines unless you are prepared to rebuild them (which I do). Obviously, a known good engine with documentation is worth a lot more money!

Oct 03, 2007 07:55:07
wyatt

Eric, can I apply it to one of your rebuilt engines?

Oct 03, 2007 07:59:50
Limey

wyatt Wrote:

Quote: "
Eric, can I apply it to one of your rebuilt engines?
"


Not a problem!

Actually - I don't mind paying a fair price for stuff - and typically a little on the high side for small stuff that is difficult to find, or a PITA to obtain. That way I don't feel guilty about asking again!

Oct 03, 2007 12:58:28
wyatt

OK Limey,then its settled,.. I'll leave the key under the mat and a coin drop box outside the door. With a sign..."picked fresh today".

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