I finally decided to weld up the backup light holes.



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There is actually quite a crown to the area. The patch required significant shaping prior to welding.
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It needs a little filler which I will do after all the welding is completed to the back.

As I asked in my your other thread, why would you want to do this?
I mean, I can see it from an aesthetics point of view, but back-up lights are quite useful when backing up in the dark. Seems silly to me to remove them.
I have thought about changing them out for something a bit better looking though, but I haven't found anything I like better.
I think the reverse lights are the most fugly part of the MGB next to rubber bumpers. The backup lights do nothing but alert people in a parking lot that you are backing up. I am wiring in a relay that causes the license plate and third brake lights to flash when I am in reverse, so that will not be a problem.
I think the reverse lights are the most fugly part of the MGB next to rubber bumpers. The backup lights do nothing but alert people in a parking lot that you are backing up. I am wiring in a relay that causes the license plate and third brake lights to flash when I am in reverse, so that will not be a problem.
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Of course, Rick, the reverse lights are to benefit others more than you! When you're in a parking lot looking at some car wondering if he's about to back out of his spot, what the heck would you look for if not the reverse lights? Seeing a flashing red 3rd brake light or license plate lights isn't going to be interpreted as a reversing action, it's just going to seem that your car has electrical problems.
There are a lot more things that are aesthetically unattractive on the B in my opinion. The ragged lower rear valence, the ugly jack-ports on each side, the ugly "just stick a metal cap on a tube" gasoline filler cap, etc.
I put decent bulbs in mine and they are bright enough to light up the road behind me so I can see where I am going. [shrugs]
Those tacked on reverse lights are super fugly. Mine are long gone. Good job getting rid of them Rick! Getting back to the pure Mark one style. Next step fridge door handles!
I was originally going to attach the reverse leads to the blinkers, as reverse lights, but the number plate light is more than enough to see where you are going. So I have not bothered. If they had to have reverse lights, why on earth did they not incorporate them into the taillights. Plenty of room around reflectors.
I don't mean to degree with you Andrew, But I think they got the design right first go and every every change after that was a backward penny pinching step, by persons who didn't seem to be trying very hard.
There are two exceptions- the GT looks good, way ahead of its time
and V8 was mega good. Neither of these changes came from within MG, sadly.
Looks way better without the reverse lights. I'd go all the way and remove the gas filler too.
I'd find a way to redo the brake light setup and squeeze reverse in the stack.
There's no question the car looks "cleaner" without the reverse lamps - but is it legal? I seem to remember hearing that you can't remove functioning elements from the car that were there originally. Styling items, yes - functioning items, no. Items such as turn signals, 3rd brake lights, or reverse lamps. You would not HAVE to add reverse lamps to a car that came from the factory without them, but you can't remove them from a car that originally came equipped with them. I doubt if having the plate lamps take the place of reverse lamps would count as "legal" reverse lamps. I also question the safety of such a setup. If I saw a car with the plate lights on and brake lights flashing I don't know what I'd think was going on. Not that the car was backing up. Probably that the person had their lights on and was tapping the brake pedal.
Michael's idea of integrating the reverse lamps into the brake/turn signal configuration is an excellent one - if it can be done.
It would take a newly designed lense and housing. But if your going through the work of welding up the old ones, that doesn't seem like to much more work.
Reverse lights is most areas is an aux. light aka not required...
An accident will not be due to lack of a reverse light. It will be due to some bimbo text messaging while she is driving. A reverse light, flares, smoke signals, or anything else is not going to stop that! When I do park in a parking lot, I always pull through to the next isle so I can drive out of the spot head on.
If I were building this car to drive I might be concerned. Honestly, I doubt that it will ever be driven at night.
An accident will not be due to lack of a reverse light. It will be due to some bimbo text messaging while she is driving. A reverse light, flares, smoke signals, or anything else is not going to stop that! When I do park in a parking lot, I always pull through to the next isle so I can drive out of the spot head on.
If I were building this car to drive I might be concerned. Honestly, I doubt that it will ever be driven at night.
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True enough, Rick. I too was once hit by a bimbo at 7:30am at a stop sign on a surface street because she was chatting on the phone with her Mom back in Indiana. She didn't even have the sense to hang up the phone after she hit me, she kept the conversation going as she started to freak out. She actually handed the phone to me and I said, "Hi, Mom, you're daughter just hit me but everyone is okay so I'm going to hang up on you now and she can call you later." Unreal!
As for the legality, of course the reverse light thing is going to be a state regulation. In CA it is the law. Per the motor vehicle code:
V C Section 24606 Backup Lamps
Backup Lamps
24606. (a) Every motor vehicle, other than a motorcycle, of a type subject to registration and manufactured on and after January 1, 1969, shall be equipped with one or more backup lamps either separately or in combination with another lamp. Any vehicle may be equipped with backup lamps.
(b) Backup lamps shall be so directed as to project a white light illuminating the highway to the rear of the vehicle for a distance not to exceed 75 feet. A backup lamp may project incidental red, amber, or white light through reflectors or lenses that are adjacent or close to, or a part of, the lamp assembly.
(c) Backup lamps shall not be lighted except when the vehicle is about to be or is backing or except in conjunction with a lighting system which activates the lights for a temporary period after the ignition system is turned off.
(d) Any motor vehicle may be equipped with a lamp emitting white light on each side near or on the rear of the vehicle which is designed to provide supplemental illumination in an area to the side and rear not lighted by the backup lamps. These lamps shall be lighted only with the backup lamps.
Amended Ch. 813, Stats. 1981. Effective January 1, 1982.
Of course you'll likely not be ticketed for this since few cops will know your B is a '75 and since there's no physical inspection in CA you can drive around with pretty much anything.
And as for your trick about pulling through instead of backing up out of a parking spot - most lots in LA have the slanted spots with curbs so you can't pull through and backing up is the only way out.
A license plate frame with backup lights was my solution 20 years ago when I was working on my Street Rod. This one in the pic has LEDs, mine has small narrow lenses and regular incandesant bulbs (like you find under the dash of older cars), but is very similar.
I got the idea to look for this when I did the bodywork on my '85 Grand marquis. The area for the plate contains the backup light. When I searched the Street Rod catalogs (no net in those days), Viola!
Edit to add (and for my terrible spelling)...If you don't like the "bling", just paint the frame the same color as the body, and it'll blend right in.
While the rear does look cleaner without them (what’s with a towbar on a sportscar?!) they’re an essential part of the look of that age MG.
They’re not ugly – they just ‘are’ and they’re useful.
Paul
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