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Dec 08, 2009 15:47:05
razoredge34

I came out to my '74.5 GT a few weeks back and found the battery was dead as a doornail. It had sat for about a week so figured there was a draw of some sort. No problem, I charged the battery and re-installed only to find the red charging light on the dash glowing even with the key is off and/or out. It only goes out if I turn the key on. All else is normal except the CD player no longer works in any capacity and the system is not charging itself (discovered on a long drive the other day). I searched for a similar post but didn't find one.

Any ideas? Auto electrics are my weakest subject.

Thanks in advance.

Scott

Dec 08, 2009 16:31:02
ingoldsb

As a general statement, 90% of symptoms involving the red lamp are related to a failure of the diode pack. In your specific case, I would rate the likelihood even higher than that. There are a couple of other red lamp problems that can involve worn brushes and bad regulators, but neither of these fit your symptoms.

The diode pack has to be replaced. The good news is that it is fairly inexpensive. The bad news is that you will need to solder - make sure you use electrical and not plumbing solder.

While you are working on the alternator, you might as well replace the brushes.

The procedure for replacing the pack is fairly obvious. Pull the alternator off the car. Pull the end cover (plastic part) off. From memory there is a nut and maybe a couple of screws that have to come out. Then unsolder the old one and solder in a new one.





Dec 08, 2009 16:38:21
razoredge34

Sounds pretty straightforward Terry, thanks.

And I have soldering iron! Who knew that's come in handy one day?

Dec 08, 2009 16:53:09
twigworker

Terry is spot on with the diagnosis and the fix.

Go to Radio Shack and bu a clip on heat sink. Clip it to the diode pig tails to pull off some of the heat from your soldering.

Use a sharp iron that heats quickly.

If you haven't soldered much before practice and get a feel for how quickly things come apart and how much heat you need to apply to stick them back together again.

Jack

Dec 08, 2009 22:58:01
pooch2

[quote=ingoldsb]
There are a couple of other red lamp problems that can involve worn brushes and bad regulators,

The bad news is that you will need to solder - make sure you use electrical and not plumbing solder.



quote]

A list of red lamp problems would be great for a separate post article.

What is the difference between plumbing and electrical solder.?

Years ago, some of my solder joints used to go acidy/corrosive blue,

Did not take much notice as to why then, just cut and redid them.

I have been on the same large solder roll for a decade now, so I have forgotten what it should be.

Dec 08, 2009 23:19:10
applebj8

http://technologyinterface.nmsu.edu/fall97/electronics/solder.html

http://www.doityourself.com/stry/h2weld

Dec 08, 2009 23:53:19
pooch2

Quote: "
http://technologyinterface.nmsu.edu/fall97/electronics/solder.html

http://www.doityourself.com/stry/h2weld"


Thanks but no thanks.

Just loaded those 2 sites.

Long winded stuff for the bone amateur.

I can use google myself.

Dec 09, 2009 08:57:47
lars49

Solder differences - mainly 2, plumbing solder flux is typically corrosive and electrical solder flux is not; because of the elimination of lead from plumbing solder alloys, its melting termpearature is higher than electical solder.

Dec 09, 2009 09:15:57
razoredge34

Bone amateur here, indeed. I haven't soldered since 7th grade? I do have a kit though. I'll give it a try, I have nothing to lose and maybe some charging to gain.

Where to get the diode packs I wonder? Moss doesn't list them.

Thanks for everyone's suggestions, I'll post my progress when I get it apart.

Dec 09, 2009 10:00:39
ingoldsb

Quote: "
A list of red lamp problems would be great for a separate post article.

What is the difference between plumbing and electrical solder.?

Years ago, some of my solder joints used to go acidy/corrosive blue,

Did not take much notice as to why then, just cut and redid them.

I have been on the same large solder roll for a decade now, so I have forgotten what it should be.
"


It is on my list of good intentions to do an alternator service article.

And, as someone said, plumbing solder may have acid flux and will cause corrosion. Electronics solder has a resin flux.

Quote: "
Where to get the diode packs I wonder? Moss doesn't list them.
"


Item 41 in the Moss catalog - p/n 130-250, 130-260 or 130-270 (depending on your year of alternator) - listed as a "rectifier". Price ranges from $13 to $28.

Dec 09, 2009 10:03:43
pooch2

Quote: "
Solder differences - mainly 2, plumbing solder flux is typically corrosive and electrical solder flux is not; because of the elimination of lead from plumbing solder alloys, its melting termpearature is higher than electical solder."


Ok thanks. but curiosity made me go search for more info on names of flux....

Now i know what I was doing/using wrong.

CHOOSING A SOLDER

Uses for Rosin Core Solder

A common question about solder is whether to use acid core or rosin core solder in a particular task. Which choice is right for you depends on the task at hand. Rosin core solder and rosin core paste is non conductive, non-corrosive and inactive once it sets, making it the only choice for electrical wiring. For highly oxidized or stained materials, highly active rosin core may be a good choice, as it will usually clear away heavy oxidation, creating a cleaner bond.

Uses for Acid Core Solder

For materials that will be subject to high levels of oxidation, such as plumbing fixtures, acid core solder may be a better choice. Because it stays active even after the soldering process, it is able to maintain a solid join even under heavy oxidization. The nature of acid core solder makes it unsafe for use in any electrical or electronic applications; its tendency to attract water and corrode materials can cause short circuits, potentially resulting in fire or electric shock.

Lead Free Solder

It is also important to bear in mind that the use of solders that contain tin or lead solder in plumbing that is connected to potable water systems is outlawed in many places. These materials can seep into the water supply, and have been found to pose a health risk, especially for children. Be sure to use lead free solder wire for any applications that affect a drinking water supply.


REF http://www.mayeralloys.com/

Dec 09, 2009 11:51:49
razoredge34

Quote: "
Where to get the diode packs I wonder? Moss doesn't list them.
"


Item 41 in the Moss catalog - p/n 130-250, 130-260 or 130-270 (depending on your year of alternator) - listed as a "rectifier". Price ranges from $13 to $28.[/quote]

Thanks for the translation Terry, I suspected that might be the case.

Jan 03, 2010 16:43:11
razoredge34

Hi all, I hope everyone's had a good holiday. I certainly did. With that, on this final day of vacation, I dug into the GT to figure out what's up with the alternator. Things pointed to the diode pack (rectifier) judging by the symptoms. When I pulled the alternator off, I heard a rattling of some piece inside. Here's a pic of that piece...

Jan 03, 2010 16:44:35
razoredge34

The arrow points to what I think isn't right.

Jan 03, 2010 16:47:06
razoredge34

Then again, this piece doesn't look right either? It soldered but doesn't attach to any wire or anything. I'm laying my technical expertise on pretty thick, I know...

I'll pull the rectifier and replace it. Let's hope I order the correct one.

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