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Feb 13, 2009 20:05:00
Turin2000

Need some advice on where to purchase body panels for my son's B. It got hit in the rear the other day, and the body shops around here won't even try to look for replacements. I've looked at VB and Moss, but they seem a little high.
Thanks
Jeff

Feb 13, 2009 21:57:31
pmittler

High? maybe. But they are available - a blessing.





Feb 14, 2009 03:18:19
hunts

Turin2000 Wrote:

Quote: "
Need some advice on where to purchase body panels for my son's B. It got hit in the rear the other day, and the body shops around here won't even try to look for replacements. I've looked at VB and Moss, but they seem a little high.
Thanks
Jeff
"


There are several sources, including ebay, but the key words are this:

H E R I T A G E P A N E L S

Don't waste time on anything else.

Landon

Feb 14, 2009 05:34:42
SC MGB

Yes, definitely get BMH panels. Check with the Roadster Factory. They are currently running a sale on sheet metal so you might can save some money.

If you compare the price for new MGB sheet metal to any other current manufacture (Ford, GM, Toyota), you will see they are a bargain!

Ron

Feb 14, 2009 06:00:01
Phantomracer

Of course everything is relative. Expensive?

Well take a piece of metal and try to fabricate it on your own for the price of a panel to save some $.

I bet after 10 minutes you will be glad to pay for panels made to original specifications on the original tooling, shipped across the pond and delivered.

The panels, even at their apparent high price, is still a freaking bargain.

The other way to go is used, find some good used panels off ebay or a local MG car club.

Feb 14, 2009 06:32:25
twentyover

Or go to an MG boneyard (they are out there)and get the parts off an existing car, repain any rust damaage, and use those

Feb 14, 2009 06:35:49
scotabbott

Paul,

You're mistaken about these parts being a bargain. The market is pretty limited and captive, so the suppliers gouge us. For the sake of comparison, a complete set of aftermarket panels for the front of my daughter's Civic (two fenders, hood, lower front panel, emblems, etc.) were well under $300. A front fender for a GM pickup truck is well under $100. I submit that we get gouged because we let suppliers take the extra money we willingly part with. Further, I fail to see what's so special about getting parts made by the 'original tooling'. I am sure that those tools are pretty worn from over 4 decades of use. A set of modern tools usung composite tooling resin technology would not be that expensive to make...

Feb 14, 2009 06:58:02
Derek up North

Have you compared the Moss price for a fender, hood, etc. between the MGA, MGB, TR6 and AH 3000? I think you'll find the MGB is pretty cheap.

Feb 14, 2009 07:04:51
Ludwiggibson

I think alot of this depends on how much work you plan to do yourself, how much you are willing to pay and how much you value your time. All thre reccomendations above are valid, boneyard etc.

Like Paul says its all relative.

But if your doing the work Id recommend 'heritage' for quality and fit of the panel. The job will be alot easier. If you want something more challenging, Id source out parts from a boneyard etc restore, then fit.

Mark

Feb 14, 2009 07:07:54
Phantomracer

scotabbott Wrote:

Quote: "
Paul,
You're mistaken about these parts being a bargain. The market is pretty limited and captive, so the suppliers gouge us. For the sake of comparison, a complete set of aftermarket panels for the front of my daughter's Civic (two fenders, hood, lower front panel, emblems, etc.) were well under $300. A front fender for a GM pickup truck is well under $100. I submit that we get gouged because we let suppliers take the extra money we willingly part with. Further, I fail to see what's so special about getting parts made by the 'original tooling'. I am sure that those tools are pretty worn from over 4 decades of use. A set of modern tools usung composite tooling resin technology would not be that expensive to make...
"


Right, the heritage panels are as close to oem as you can get. I have used plenty of aftermarket panels. They are generally crap. for my chevy truck I usually go to the junk yard and get original panels off the trucks there..far superior to the 'crash' aftermarket panels...that 1) dont fit for crap and 2) rust worse than oem 2) did I say fit like crap?

I have seen the heritage and aftermarket panels for Bs. The fenders are beyond crap. the hoods are borderline acceptable actually. dogleg panels..well we know how bad they are.... I still stand by the heritage panels are a bargain. The many hours saved in fitting is worth the price of admission IMO.

No doubt there is some price gouging going on...but I, personally, have no problem paying extra for quality parts. Again, it is all realative. The lowest price item is not always the best value.

As was mentioned... it is nice to have choices. Most old cars you dont have choices..sometimes not even aftermarket is available!

Feb 14, 2009 07:18:24
chris

Scott, you are comparing apples to oranges. First, Asian American panels are being produced and shipped out in much higher numbers than any Brit make. Secondly, like Paul, I won't put a made in Mexico pos panel on my Chevy trucks. The best you can say about them is that they have a vague resemblance to an original. The door latches are even worse; the catch to hold the lock tumbler in place is cast over.
But the real issue is that Brit panels aren't just stamped. I have a box of bug eye panel pieces sitting in the living room right now. It is amazing to see that such small parts of the larger car are stamped, then welded together before being shipped out. That takes time and tooling. And how much of a market is there for bug eye panels?

Feb 14, 2009 07:19:15
cfrench

If he got hit, isn't the other guy paying? Get heritage panels. The other insurance company wont blink at the price. If the other party had no insurance then consider used panels as they will fit well and may just need some rust treatment before fitting.

Feb 14, 2009 07:23:34
mgbgts

scotabbott Wrote:

Quote: "
Paul,
You're mistaken about these parts being a bargain. The market is pretty limited and captive, so the suppliers gouge us. For the sake of comparison, a complete set of aftermarket panels for the front of my daughter's Civic (two fenders, hood, lower front panel, emblems, etc.) were well under $300. A front fender for a GM pickup truck is well under $100. I submit that we get gouged because we let suppliers take the extra money we willingly part with. Further, I fail to see what's so special about getting parts made by the 'original tooling'. I am sure that those tools are pretty worn from over 4 decades of use. A set of modern tools usung composite tooling resin technology would not be that expensive to make...
"


Those parts your quoting the prices of, are of the cheap knockoffs, not the O.E. stuff. There are cheap knockoffs avail for our MG's for many parts, but we are not discussing those in this thread, because the quality, and fit just are not as good. When you compare the heritage panels (basically O.E. for us) to ANY other brand's O.E. prices then no, our part really aren't expensive, ESPECIALLY considering that our market is so limited, and captured.
Most aftermarket sheetmetal parts are made on tooling that just wasn't made to close tolorances. Now, newer car aftermarket sheetmetal has gotten better in the last decade of so, IF you are looking at a CAPA certified part, otherwise it's still a crap shoot, but we don't have CAPA certified parts for our cars. That's where BMHT comes in, that's the closest we have to CAPA. Those "expensive" parts actually fit pretty well (with a few exceptions), where the others (such as the stuff labeled aftermarket from Moss, and pretty much everything VB sells) either is made of lighter guage metal, and/or just doen't fit as well amd require much more work to install correctly (been there, done that on my own car, now I only buy Heritage for ALL my customers cars).
I grew up in a body shop, and have used after market sheetmetal on many of my daily drivers (I'm a cheapskate, and I admit it) with mixed results, and have learned that the aftermarket will make it the absolute cheapest way they can, and unless they are held to a standard it may not be worth the cheaper price.

Feb 14, 2009 07:46:22
MGB7509

try Bob at Brit-Tek. I got a front fender from him thats BMH.

Feb 14, 2009 21:02:42
Turin2000

Thanks to all. It's been 20 years since I've even had to worry about this kind of stuff, so your information is more than welcome. I have never priced replacement panels before, so I thought they were a little high. Maybe not
Thanks
Jeff

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