Very early B or eBay deception.

The car listed on eBay is identified as an early 1963 B. The seller notes the car number is GHN3L/106XXX. I sent an email asking for more info and the seller replied with explaination and pictures. The picture of the car number plate is not clear after the 106 and does not answer the question what is the car number. Adding to the uncertainty the engine number is 18GB-U-H-59114, which is for a later car like a 66 B. When one looks at the car number GHN3L/106XXX and the engine number the car year looks more like a 66. Too add more confusion there is one door with a push button and the other has a pull handle. A car with number GHN3L/106 would be the sixth production car made. What do you think?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=280017352629&ih=018&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT

well if those numbers are right its a late 66 according to the Moss catalog

The headlight switch on the dash is the pull type that only came on the 67. It is also in the same position (at the top next to the cowl).It also does not have the early chrome strip on the guage cowl only on the very early B's. He has the later GB series PCV setup (the mushroom on the intake). it is a 67 and he is BSing people about some early cars had later door handles and some people changed later to early. it is a very hard thing to do, The ONLY thing he has to show it is a 63 is the 'papers in the glovebox'

Feel free to pass on these few issues.

Yes, many items counter the 63B claim. It has a front sway bar. The crossmember is missing the tow loop found on early cars.

Its a late '66 - early '67 pre-backup lights...

That's a 67 MODEL, not a 66 and DEFINITELY NOT A 63

The GB motor is in 65-67 cars. It has the 67 doors too.

I can see the engine being replaced, as the 3 main isn;t that sturdy, but the doors, the engine, the car number, all of these things point to a 67.

I'd say that somewhere along the line this car became another car that had a title to it!

One way to check that most amatuers or these title swaps will miss, is that the CAR # is stamped onto the frame rail right underneath of the passenger side motor mount in the engine compartment.

A quick wire brushing of the layers of muck and paint will reveal the actual car number.

Brian

Man, if I ever buy another used car, I'm checking here first! You guys got eagle eyes.

I emailed him last night with the discrepancies I had noted and he wrote back saying this. He sounds like an honest guy who had bad info. We will see.

""Glad to hear from you on this oldie. The vin# is: GHN3L/106953 and the engine reads: 18GB-U-H-59119.

Documents found in glove state 1963 and so does the current title. Naturally I am now confused, because most of my research has varied in the year.

I heard from an authority that pull handles for this year were not on all the models produced. Then all the data you produce sounds very convincing.

The other thing that stands out in my research is that dealers had the option to date them as they saw fit...!

Would appreciate any other positive data you might have.

Thank you so very much, Marty""

He may sound honest but it doesn't seem like he's in any big hurry to change his ad to reflect the truth. As far as I'm concerned, if you're going to advertise that it's a "rare" "first year" car you'd better know what the hell you're talking about.

Lee
As I live in Denver I will be more than happy to check this one out for you if you like. Currently I am not familiar with the car and I do not think he is a member of the local club as it has not been 'advertised' to us.

let me know

bob g

Ditto to other responders here.

The parking lamps are too far away from the grill opening to be a VERY early car. Those had the lights about 3/4" closer to the grill.

Also, and I didn't take time to look over much of the other pics or read the description, the fact that it has an early door on one side and a late one on the other and some easily seen body condition issues leads me to believe that it is a cobbled up mess, perhaps useful only as a parts car.

Jack

"The parking lamps are too far away from the grill opening to be a VERY early car. Those had the lights about 3/4" closer to the grill. "

Twig, I had always thought there were only two types of CB front fenders (front turn signal wise only). There was the Mk1 (including 68) with the far mounted front signal lights and the 69-74 with the closer mounted ones. Are you saying there was a Very early and short lived third type?

I am not sure there is one of each door. Is that sure? you cant see from the photos. I can only make out one side for certain.

Well duh!

I had it backward. Look on page 17 of the Clausager book. The early cars the lights were set away from the grill and later ones were closer. If we need a real expert opinion, someone PM LBCnut. He will know for sure. :-)

Jack

Is the vin stamped on the frame rail on 69s? I have a 69 but it has a 65 VIN on the commission tag which is wrong. I have the rear end and transmision nos. but I was told that these nos. were never recorded. I checked the floor pan in front of the passenger seat but I could not find a no.