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Feb 09, 2012 18:13:04
AzMarc

Thanks!

Feb 09, 2012 20:15:50
Boris67MGB

Try Moss P/N 443-140. Very difficult part to find other than Moss or Anglo Parts 023-174. Orignal BMC P/N 22H251





Feb 10, 2012 07:00:18
AzMarc

Thanks Richard. Hopefully someone has a used one they are willing to part with.

Feb 10, 2012 13:59:43
mac townsend

3 synchro OD?

I know a couple folks who have been looking (and looking here) for a used one for a couple years now.

Maybe you'll be luckier than they.

At least they are not NLA from Moss.

Feb 11, 2012 14:38:25
rlich8

I looked for a bit and then gave up. Moss has one for $97.

Lots of $, but it is 100% correct.

Feb 12, 2012 12:52:00
Stonesmith

I searched around some UK sites, on the theory that OD units were more plentiful in the UK. I found one but it was in so-so condition and they wanted 50 pounds for it. It will be another year before I need to install so I am content to keep looking.

Pretty rare.

Matt

Feb 12, 2012 20:32:26
AzMarc

Time for a trek to the S. Phx MG junkyard.

Feb 14, 2012 17:39:57
cavanahd

Ok, educate me. What makes this shift lever different , and harder to find, than others? How do I identify the particular characteristic you are looking for? Why are they not interchangeable? ( I have an OD transmission in my parts car, with shifter. But I plan to put it in my driver one day, so I may not be willing to sell :( )

David

Feb 14, 2012 22:14:21
mac townsend

something about the "ball end" and the lever is bent. So I understand. I don't have a relevant car any longer, and did not have OD when I did have an early car.

Feb 15, 2012 08:50:54
Stonesmith

This picture says it all. It's been posted so many places I don't know who deserves the credit, but it is much appreciated.

Feb 15, 2012 11:36:13
mgv8glen

I was looking through all my shifte levers & I have 1 early O/D shifter. Chrome looks good. P/M me for the price. Glenn 302 734 1243

Feb 15, 2012 12:27:29
rlich8

That curved one is actually not a 3 syncro OD shifter. The 3 syncro OD shifter is 100% straight.

Feb 15, 2012 13:13:25
mgbanthony

Quote: "
That curved one is actually not a 3 syncro OD shifter. The 3 syncro OD shifter is 100% straight.
"


I don't know for sure on that. I have an original which has a similar bend to the top shifter in Peter Plouf's photo above, and I have a Moss one which is 100% straight.

Moss ones are straight, definitely. I've only had one original and it has the bend. Perhaps a PO bent it to move the shifter back a bit. I prefer using it to the straight one as the gear shift falls more naturally to hand...who knows? I don't for sure.B)-

Feb 15, 2012 13:21:15
joemamma

The ones I have are bent like the top one in the photo. Bob

Feb 15, 2012 15:16:24
rlich8

Quote: "
The ones I have are bent like the top one in the photo. Bob
"


There must be two versions then, because on the early OD cars I have seen with OD, (which is 2 in the United States and several in the UK) they all have had the straight lever.

All good info. This curved lever must be very rare because Moss doesn't even show a picture, nor do the original repair manuals. There is very little documentation for that curved lever!

All good info to know!!

Feb 15, 2012 22:43:23
AzMarc

You have a PM!

Quote: "
I was looking through all my shifte levers & I have 1 early O/D shifter. Chrome looks good. P/M me for the price. Glenn 302 734 1243
"

Feb 16, 2012 06:47:49
joemamma

Well more digging and I came up with a bit more info. Here is a pic of a early MGB shifter, MGA, 3 main overdrive and last the 5 main early overdrive shifters. The one that was with the 3 main overdrive is pretty srtaight. The one from the early 5 main has the bend. I have no idea when the changeover happened. Bob

Feb 16, 2012 13:01:32
rlich8

Wonderful! Good to know that the 3-main is the 100% or near straight shifter and the later car is the curved one.

Looks like I have the correct one on my '63! :D

Feb 16, 2012 14:39:39
KLUTZ

So... This topic should be exhausted for another 7 or 8 months now? ;) :)-D

Feb 16, 2012 18:18:10
Boris67MGB

I agree with Royal; in almost 5 decades of experience with early MK1 MGB's I have never seen a bent O/D gear lever. Mine is straight as an arrow. The Moss unit is very functional and worth the money.

Feb 16, 2012 22:49:24
Harlankatz01

I have an overdrive in my 1967 B. I also have a brand new original O/D shifter. I installed the 3 syncro non o/d shifter because I like it the best. If you want a brand new shifter NOS, I'll give it to you. Just pay the shipping

Feb 17, 2012 06:44:55
AzMarc

Thanks...Going to PM you now.

Feb 17, 2012 09:10:37
rlich8

Quote: "
I have an overdrive in my 1967 B. I also have a brand new original O/D shifter. I installed the 3 syncro non o/d shifter because I like it the best. If you want a brand new shifter NOS, I'll give it to you. Just pay the shipping
"


You may like it the best, but it functionally is not proper. They do look vintage cool, no doubt, but please reconsider.

Some people have reported success with using this on their 3-synchro overdrive transmission, but over time it will begin causing issues as parts inside your transmission wear. At the very least, you may experience the transmission popping out of gear. At the very worst, gears will not properly and fully engage and there is a large possibility of chewing your gearbox to shreds over time.

Here's the deal:

There are two balls on all the shifters. One is what I would call the pivot ball, the larger one. This part is the same on virtually all MGA's and MGB's.

The other goes inside of the gear selector. This part also "looks" the same. BUT...

However, the distance between those two balls is different on the overdrive and non overdrive gear levers. The non-overdrive is longer and when installed with the bushing, reaches far below where the pivot point should be inside the rear gear selector.

I have installed both gear levers into the gearbox remote control, with the gearbox remote control off of the transmission and it definitely is not correct.

Just a friendly warning.

Feb 17, 2012 09:45:11
KLUTZ

Quote: "
[quote=Harlankatz01,1980987,1987014]
I have an overdrive in my 1967 B. I also have a brand new original O/D shifter. I installed the 3 syncro non o/d shifter because I like it the best. If you want a brand new shifter NOS, I'll give it to you. Just pay the shipping
"


You may like it the best, but it functionally is not proper. They do look vintage cool, no doubt, but please reconsider.

Some people have reported success with using this on their 3-synchro overdrive transmission, but over time it will begin causing issues as parts inside your transmission wear. At the very least, you may experience the transmission popping out of gear. At the very worst, gears will not properly and fully engage and there is a large possibility of chewing your gearbox to shreds over time.

Here's the deal:

There are two balls on all the shifters. One is what I would call the pivot ball, the larger one. This part is the same on virtually all MGA's and MGB's.

The other goes inside of the gear selector. This part also "looks" the same. BUT...

However, the distance between those two balls is different on the overdrive and non overdrive gear levers. The non-overdrive is longer and when installed with the bushing, reaches far below where the pivot point should be inside the rear gear selector.

I have installed both gear levers into the gearbox remote control, with the gearbox remote control off of the transmission and it definitely is not correct.

Just a friendly warning.
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Royal. Could you please post a link to the site or book in which you got this information? It all sounds hypothetical to me.. a lot of "What if's" but if this is documented as fact and will happen, I want to pass the information on to the new owner of the '64 before the overdrive transmission crumbles into bits before her eyes...

Thanks

Paul

Feb 17, 2012 13:02:10
rlich8

Paul,

I thought of you as I was typing that, it had occurred to me you were using the kink shifter - I apologize for not giving you an alert sooner. We were good at keeping in touch through PM's but I am sorry I fell short!!!

There is no documentation that I have seen on this. This is from my own experience as I built my overdrive transmission. The kink gear lever extended down too far into the gear selector. I experimented with installing the kink gear lever into the gearbox remote, physically seeing it extend too far, before I finished building the box.

-The LH style gear lever is "almost" right, but *slightly* too long
-The kink gear lever extended at about 1/3rd an inch too far down. The problem is not from the get go, but over time as that bushing wears or possibly falls off because it is not being encompassed by the gear selector.
-The "straight" Moss shifter is just right.

I should have documented it, taken pictures and measurements, unfortunately I didn't.

I would be happy to post pictures of each of the levers and provide the measurements, and I am not trying to scare anyone, but there is definitely a functional difference between the two shifters.

Let me know if you would like close-up's and measurements. I can also take pictures of the non-OD shift tower with each lever if you would like.

Always,
Royal

Feb 17, 2012 17:48:45
Harlankatz01

He is absolutely correct,
When I was installing the kink shifter onto my B, I did notice it was about a quarter inch too long. I installed a new bushing.
If it may cause damage, I will reinstall the original shifter back into the transmission. I don't want to cause any damage

It's only been in 2 weeks and has only been driven about 20 miles

thanks for the information

Mar 10, 2012 04:48:30
Boris67MGB

I recently found my old mid 1960's Haynes MGB manual; and during my review of engine data; I saw some 3 main overdrive tear down & rebuild photos; and the gear lever is slightly cranked near the base. Seems to be that there is a difference between 62 to early 64 & late 64 to 67 gear levers. I will try to scan the photos if anyone needs them.

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