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Feb 11, 2009 13:16:28
tedjr

I want to add a second ground strap in addition to the engine ground strap, somewhere
from the tranny to the frame. Photos, drawings, complete descriptions would be great.
I’ve seen posts before regarding this but couldn’t seem to locate any with the
specifics, like; do you use existing fittings (nuts/bolts) or drill and fit new connections?

Thanks,
Ted

Feb 11, 2009 13:19:44
Niels

I'd use existing bolts but make sure to use serated washers to get through paint etc to make good contact with steel. That's also the method suggested by Rick Astley in his book about MGB electrics.





Feb 11, 2009 13:25:13
balloonfoot

The factory used 2 locations.

Chrome bumper: On the engine, the strap went from the mount bolted to the engine around the mount and to the frame where the mount bolted on the car.

Rubber bumper: On the trans from the bolt that holds the mount to the trans and then to the trans crossmember.

Feb 11, 2009 14:44:42
B-racer

Why not do the easy thing and add a second strap on the other motor mount? It'll work well and there are no electrics in the transmission (unless you have an OD).

Feb 11, 2009 15:00:45
Starbuck

B-racer Wrote:

Quote: "
Why not do the easy thing and add a second strap on the other motor mount? It'll work well and there are no electrics in the transmission (unless you have an OD).
"


x2. definately the easiest method. Strip off the paint at the contact points and use di-electric grease or even vasoline to make sure there is good contact of the metal and you're all done.

Feb 11, 2009 15:29:00
tedjr

B-racer Wrote:

Quote: "
Why not do the easy thing and add a second strap on the other motor mount? It'll
work well and there are no electrics in the transmission (unless you have an OD).

"


No OD. That surely would be the easier route.
I thought grounding it elsewhere in addition at the front motor mount would have
a better effect. I didn’t realize two grounds anywhere would be just as effective.

Appreciate all the info/input.

Ted


Feb 11, 2009 17:28:02
ctmullins

Actually, the very best thing to do (on lots of older cars, not just MGs) is to run down to your local auto parts emporium, buy a generic (black) ground wire of sufficient length, and attach it to the engine/tranny on one end, and the battery's ground terminal at the other end. A direct, unimpeded path to ground from the engine will cure a host of starting and charging problems.

Feb 11, 2009 18:07:34
scottydawg

B-racer Wrote:

Quote: "
Why not do the easy thing and add a second strap on the other motor mount? It'll work well and there are no electrics in the transmission (unless you have an OD).
"


That's what I did.

Feb 11, 2009 23:21:06
Niels

Just something from the back of my head form my car audio days - adding a second ground strap might create a ground loop which might interfear with radio reception etc.

Feb 12, 2009 06:29:20
Derek up North

I did another, slighly different ground.I bought a red cable and ran it from one of the thermostat studs to the car body. Why? It's in my face to remind me to check it if I ever have electrical problems. And it's more accessible to remove, clean and tighten if I ever need to! :)

Feb 12, 2009 14:17:07
DanN1DLH

So, why do you want to do this 2 strap thing again?

Sounds like a good idea, but I'm having trouble pin pointing exactly why.

Feb 12, 2009 14:28:47
crustyoldfe

Starbuck Wrote:

Quote: "
B-racer Wrote:Quote:
Why not do the easy thing and add a second strap on the other motor mount? It'll work well and there are no electrics in the transmission (unless you have an OD).
x2. definately the easiest method. Strip off the paint at the contact points and use di-electric grease or even vasoline to make sure there is good contact of the metal and you're all done.
"


Dielectric grease and vaseline are not conductors. They are insulators. They do, however make a fine protectant to cover the connections with after the connection is made. Hence their use as a light smear inside a plug wire boot or on battery's terminals when connected.

Bob

Feb 12, 2009 16:06:42
mjamgb

Dielectric grease is too a conductor, but only when very thin, hence the term DI-electric. When thicker it insulates.

Vaseline isn't a conductor per se but when you mash down the connection with star washers it won't matter.

Feb 12, 2009 16:17:26
Derek up North

DanN1DLH Wrote:

Quote: "
So, why do you want to do this 2 strap thing again?
"


Belt and braces, that's all.

Feb 13, 2009 07:20:50
DanN1DLH

that's what I'm thinkin....doesn't mean I won't be doing it this week-end, though : )

Feb 13, 2009 08:44:23
crustyoldfe

mjamgb Wrote:

Quote: "
Dielectric grease is too a conductor, but only when very thin, hence the term DI-electric. When thicker it insulates.
Vaseline isn't a conductor per se but when you mash down the connection with star washers it won't matter.
"


Here's a quote from dow-corning's site concerning dielectric compound #4:

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Anyway, look up the definition of dielectric. The word is synonymous with insulator or non conductor.
Bob




Feb 13, 2009 13:54:49
mjamgb

Bob -

I stand corrected and abashed. Once again a cherished assumption has been blown clean out of the water ;)

I LOVE these forums.

Feb 13, 2009 17:19:21
crustyoldfe

No need to feel abashed.
This forum is a tremendous help to me and hopefully others feel the same way.
I'm just trying to play a part and carry my weight.

Bob

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