MGB: BERG ruling is this true?

I found this post was wondering if it was true? If so has he complied with the Order?

JUDGE ORDERS OBAMA TO PRODUCE BIRTH CERTIFICATE

On September 29, 2008 US District Court Judge R. Barclay Surrick, the
federal magistrate for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania ruled in the
matter of Philip J. Berg vs Barack Hussein Obama, et al as the world was
distracted by the $700 billion subprime mortgage crisis. Obama sighed a
breath of relief as the mainstream media chose to ignore the question:
"Can Senator Barack Hussein Obama legally seek the office of President
of the United States?"

To run for the highest office you have to be a "natural born" citizen.

In his ruling, Judge Surrick noted that the "...cause came before the
United States District Court Judge, Honorable R. Barclay Surrick on
defendant Barack Hussein Obama and the Democratic National Committee's
motion to dismiss." The order continued, "Having reviewed the motion and
plaintiff's opposition to said motion and for good cause shown, it is
hereby ordered that the motion to dismiss pursuant to F.R.C.P. 12(b)(1)
and 12(b)(6) is denied. It is a further order of this court that the
following discovery is to be turned over to plaintiff within three (3) days.

1. Obama's "vault" version (certified copy of his "original" long
version) birth certificate; and
2. a certified copy of Obama's Certificate of Citizenship;
3. a certified copy of Obama's oath of allegiance."

Seems to be true after a Google search.

Gary, I don't think a decision has been given. The Obama lawyers yesterday submitted a request to the Judge to delay the production of the birth certificate and the date and place of his oath of allegiance. There is also concurrently a request by Obama to dismiss the case because they contend that a voter does not have standing in federal court to question the candidacy of a candidate. the claim is that the voter is not harmed only the opposition candidate is.

The Berg amended the request for discovery to only the two things. The original or vault copy of the birth certificate and his oath date and place.

I have read the original complaint, the amended complaint and the responses from Obama. It is really interesting in that the request seems pretty innocent. But he is spending major money on lawyers to keep from producing it.

This is the message from yesterday

Berg is “Outraged” that Obama & DNC Hide Again Behind Legal Issues as their attorney files a Motion for Protective Order to “not” Answer Admissions & Production of Documents while Betraying Public in not Producing Documents proving Obama is “qualified” to be a candidate for President.

It is believed Obama is an “illegal alien”
For Immediate Release: - 10/06/08

I don't have a Certificate of Citizenship, or a certified copy of an oath of allegiance.

Does anyone here have those?

Steve64B Wrote:

So you guys don't believe the POTUS candidates should have to provide evidence of citizenship?

AzMarc Wrote:

AzMarc Wrote:

I googled it, went the US District Court for Eastern Penn... I have been unable to find the ruling... would someone be so kind as to provide a link.

Steve64B Wrote:

JoeReed Wrote:

Amazing how this one keeps rearing its tinfoil hat...
For anyone wanting a reasoned analysis of this Berg issue, I direct you to read what PAMidget said about it on an earlier thread. (He's one of the good guys here).

RSS Wrote:

Actually I have the original of my birth certificate all my kids have them and my grandkids have them also for sports. When I work with the little league kids they all have the birth certificates. As complicated a life as Obama has had moving all over the world and one parent not a citizen you would think keeping it handy would be easy. He can request a vault copy. But only he can.

If you have a valid birth certificate you do not need the oath of allegience. If you are a natural born citizen but have lost your citizenship for whatever reason prior to 1966 then you need an oath of allegience to regain your natural citizenship. The problem for him is not the current laws it is the laws prior to 1966 and the 1966 changes were not retroactive. Natural by blood apparently does not apply to prior to 1966.

He will not allow the court or anyone to verify his birth certificate. He obviously does not have the oath of allegience because he believes he did not lose his citizenship or did not know the rules he was operating under. They do know he had the dual citizenship when he was 20 and went to Pakistan on the Indonesian Passport.

It is only a matter of a few days and the discovery decision should be given. Right now the obama team are trying to stop the court from asking for the birth certificate while they wait for the standing decision. They will stop at nothing to keep from producing the copy. They have never said as Steve hints that they don't have it.

Steve, this the link for the ammended affidavit reducing the discovery request and bringing more data in.

http://www.obamacrimes.com/attachments/028_Obama,%20Motion%20for%20Leave%20and%20First%20Amended%20Complaint.pdf

AzMarc Wrote:

6863m Wrote:

RSS Wrote:

RSS Wrote:

What do you think is the more important issue here to the American people?

McCain shaking Barry's hand after the debate

or

A Presidential candidate being required to show proof of citizenship?

JoeReed Wrote:

Steve, I attached the link to one of the submittals. When you do the legal research and read the laws he refers to you will understand where Berg is coming from. If you don't you won't understand.

Our newest, bestest friend....Sargent Hulka...our Big Toe.....

I could not have said it better....

He doesn't need an American birth certificate , he is a citizen of the world !


But yes there is a problem with it , he hasn't produced one , well there was one but it was a proven fake . Its very strange that he would be withholding his birth cert. , none of his school transcripts have been released , medical records , college records , anything , he's being very secretive . I could see not wanting your income taxes released but a birth certificate ? obama is a fake and fraud , a created candidate , the most unproven , unqualified candidate ever .

6863m Wrote:

Oh, and Mac wasn't born in the US, either... --- thats already been decided in the courts , I don't think Ike was either , it might not be him but one close to that time .

Birth places:

FDR - Hyde Park, NY
H. S Truman - Lamar, MO
Ike - Denison, TX
JFK - Brookline, MA
RMN - Yorba Linda, CA
Gerald Ford - Omaha, NE
Jimmy Carter - Plains, GA
Bush I - Milton, MA
Bill Clinton - Hope, AR
Bush II - New Haven, CT

Nope , one of them was born on a US territory or Island , I seen it on cnn when it first came out about McCain.

Wm McKinley - Niles, OH
Teddy Roosevelt - NY, NY
Wm Howard Taft - Cincinnati, OH
Woody Wilson - Staunton, VA
Warren Harding - Marion, OH
Calvin Coolidge - Plymouth VT
Herbert Hoover - West Branch, IA
LBJ - Stonewall, TX

That, with my previous post, is all the presidents in the 20th century.

JoeReed Wrote:

Hey RSS, Quote..."Bottom line is that McCain isn't man enough to shake his opponent's hand. And this is the guy you want controlling our nuclear (not new-you-lur) arsenal. Nice.?

RSS, are YOU man enough to admit you lied about the quote you attributed to me. Well. are ya? I have asked you repeatedly and you fail to answer. I thought you were a man who proudly served his country, is this your version of honor, lying about a false quote, you pined on me? RSS are you man enough to answer the charge?????????.....Well are ya?

In all the cases I have been involved in the discovery requests surprised me also but the lawyers ask for the moon if they can get it. The ammended discovery asks for only a few documents. It seems to bother a few million people why Obama won't just solve the problem take this out of the legal system free up the courts time and not spend a million dollars on legal fees. I guess you have to ask yourself if you had the certificate or the oath date and place why wouldn't you just hand it to your lawyer to give to the court and problem goes away.

What would you do to save a million dollars and get out of going to court.

You will believe what you will believe or at least say what you think will stir s**t:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/06/obama-birth.html

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/

http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

http://www.newsweek.com/id/154599

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

Gary’s original post claims that the Judge had made a ruling that documents be produced. There was no link or reference to the source of the material.

Richard’s link is simply a link to the amended complaint… not to a judges order.

Is there a link to the Judges order to produce the materials requested in discovery?

I did find a link to a story posted at NewsWithViews.com by Jon Christian Dryer on October 7, 2008

Author's Note: This article is a rewrite of last week's article on Philip J. Berg's lawsuit to force Barack Obama to produce a certified copy of his original birth certificate. On Sept. 24 the DNC filed a motion to dismiss the Berg action, which sent Berg scrambling to file a response, which was filed on Sept. 29, providing the date and material which led to my confusion that the order had been signed. Accept my mea culpas. The moment I realized the error I called News With Views and had the article pulled, and posted a recant on my website as well. Here is the most current information on the case, taken from court documents. -- Jon Christian Ryter

Could it be that Mr. Ryter was making up the news?

I was born in the USA and have a birth certificate to prove it. I only have a copy for passport reasons, otherwise I wouldn't have one at all. When I was a kid living in the territory of Alaska (prior to 1959) we as school children were taught that in order to qualify for the presidential office we would have to be born in the USA. Later court decisions have allowed any natural born citizen to qualify--born anywhere of US citizen parents, born of any parents on US soil. So if Obama were born in Hawaii in 1959 or later he would be a natural born US citizen. McCain was supposedly born of US parents in the Panama Canal zone of Panama. He too is a natural born US citizen.
If either is elected, then opponents have four years to prove that he is not a citizen, Congress can impeach and the Senate can try him.
Remember the only qualifications needed to be president is to be a natural born US citizen and be 35 years of age.

I have a birth certificate..............but, then again, I like kittens! :)

Obama is a lawyer.

"There is also concurrently a request by Obama to dismiss the case because they contend that a voter does not have standing in federal court to question the candidacy of a candidate"

I have a certified copy of my birth certificate this was needed for my PassPort. I also have my original birth certificate, uncle sam liked the certified copy better.
I would seem that Obama would just comply instead of fighting this.

Steve, read my first answer in the thread. there has been no decision by the court what was referring to was some incorrect article.

As of 12:10 PM October 8, 2008 there is no answer from the judge on the two pending issues. Legal standing of Berg to bring the case against a candidate and two the request to allow discovery while they wait for his decison.

Steve, you will be the first on your block to know the answer when the Judge rules.

cfrantz Wrote:

For my vote, I don't think it is too much to ask for proof of citizenship.
ymmv

Steve, you don't read the posts. When he was a Senator he is given a passport and a Secret clearance and if they go to a special committee they will give him a top secret clearance but they do do a check at that point, and they don't care whether he was Osama Bin laden. If we vote them in they are not investigated. No questions asked.

You don't read the posts. He traveled on the Indonesian Passport when he visited his friends in Pakistan when he was 20 not an American one. He had dual citizenshipo at that point. He did not travel outside the country untill after he was a Senator.

6863m Wrote:

Thanks Marc... that's what friends are for!

Steve64B Wrote:

AzMarc Wrote: