MGB: clearing the air so that there is no mistake...

I want to clear something up.

I have never had really bad blood between myself and what I grew up thinking of as being the Democratic Party.

I have disagreed often with their points of view, and sometimes even with some of the basics of their philosophical drive, but I always felt that the competition between the two ideologies was healthy and was even necessary to keep the country and it's systems on a reasonably defined path toward perfection.

What I have never liked is the advent of what I will call The New Left.

My post here is intended to clarify my position so that it is understood by all that I am not painting ALL Democrats as being the awful bad guys that I have been describing in my recent posts.

In order to further clarify my point of view I have copied below a set of exchanges that has occurred over the past twenty four hours between myself and another forum member. Out of respect for his anonymity and good character I have changed his name to "Other Guy"

So here is part of it, picking up in mid thread.

Jack

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twigworker Wrote:

Hi “Other Guy" !

I won't dispute a word that you say Other Guy. The tides ebb and flow with all administrations and I can live with most of that. What I AM afraid of is the change, radical change, that has occurred in the Dem party over the past ten or fifteen years or so. The way I see it there is no Democratic party as it was earlier. It, to me at least, has been completely taken over by radical leftists who have nothing good in mind for our future, except for them to gain power and assimilate the US
into a global system subservient to and controlled by an elite few.

Hell, the old guard of Dems in Washington have no apparent similarity with the new Turks who are doing things that their mothers would be ashamed of.

Nope, I don't equate this new group with the old fellows who are still hanging around. I disagree with Kennedy and Biden and some of the others, but I equate the new comers with people like Bill Ayers and Hugo Chavez and the brothers Castro. All of them bent on not just changing the country but obliterating it as we know it.

Jack
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Other guy…

Not sure I'm understanding where you're coming from on this, though.

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I think that I was trying to say that the Democratic Party has been hijacked away from the loyal Americans who called themselves Democrats for a hundred years or so. I don't have a beef with those old guys as I think that they just happened to have held differing views as to how to go about the details of running the country from the guys on the Republican side. The competition was a good thing back then. It kept everyone sort of honest and sort of in line. LOL

I am not saying anything good about the Republicans here because I feel like GW truly dropped the ball and did major disservices to the country by not multi tasking at home while he was waging whatever war was going on. He should have at least appointed really good guys to go in and clean house over at Freddie and Fannie's places and at the same time fix the securities market so that the crooks didn't run wild over there too. If he is damnable it is for dereliction of duty, but I don't believe that there was ever an agenda in his staff or within himself to deliberately destroy the country, like the "New Left" is intent on doing.

Jack

Jack, same, progressive left is dangerous and old left, all American.

What would Tip do?

...from your title....I thought you were lighting a match.........

errr...the republican party hasnt been dominated by the extreme right for the last 8 years...or is that all OK cause they are the"good guys" backed by the Christian right

...........extreme right...........you obviously don't know chit, and read rubbish and take it to heart. The last 8 years were the wasted years of phony conservatives.........the bastards were 3 rate appeasers and spend thrifts.

sorry aussie zb....wrong-ola............

aussie zb Wrote:

The American Democrats are right.

The American Republicans far right/christian right.

Let it come from a Southern American, what ever that means ...

The Christian Right, as you call them, is more embarrassed and unhappy with GWB in some areas than you can possibly imagine.

He is NOT their hero. He had MANY failings during his tenure and would probably not be put back on a ballot given his record.

JSM is not their hero either. He is a reasonably honorable man but he is FAR, FAR from being the ideal for them. The problem is that he is all they have right now, given the poor circumstances of the candidate selection process.

BHO is, under all of his obvious deceptions, in fact the complete antithesis of what the Christian Right and even the Moderate Right believes to be good, hence the strong opposition.

Tried to be simple and succinct here for at least once! I am proud of myself. LOL

Jack

racer76 Wrote:

...as a proud Episcopalian, who hasn't been in a Church except for weddings, and painting contracts,for over 40 years, I don't have to turn the other cheek. I get to go "right" into the lefts den of Hell and deal with it. It's freedom.........

Wray Wrote:

Jack, The christian right and the republican base are neither embarrassed or unhappy with gwb. They love him, voted him into office twice, and would again. In my opinion gwb did not do a "single" thing right in 7yrs 9 months, not one. That is not the fault of the rep base or christian right, that's the fault of the country at large, we elected the boob. McCain is likely to follow the policies of bush if he is somehow elected. McCain is not running his campaign and has not provided any details of how he would address the problems we face today. Stating that "I know how to win this war", "I know ho to catch Binladen", "I know how to make America great again", are cheerleader quotes, catchy but empty. The truth is that the base of either party would rather have their he/she man in the WH regardless of policy or ability. We find ourselves where we are because of a war without purpose, runaway debt, infinent greed, and a lack of foreign policy. We can't take care of demostic disasters but have checkbook with trillions for bailouts, wars and rebates. I think its time for a change.

DTE

racer76 Wrote:

In a gentlemanly manner I must agree to some slight extent on some of your points Dave and disagree on others, but clearly deliberately stepping out of the frying pan directly into the fire is not a smart thing to do, for the moment or for the long term.

If you will read my recent posts you will notice that I am not so hyped up on JSM as I am clearly terrified at the thought of BHO and agenda. I will repeat, JSM is a mediocre choice. BHO is the choice of certain disastrous change to The Republic.

If he is, and he very likely will be, elected, I hereby offer the best steak available 'round these parts to you if you can recognize the country after his first term and having put HRC in as Chief Justice. That is if there is ANY steak to be had.

We will just have to agree to disagree and wait to see what happens at election time and thereafter.

I will again offer this suggestion though. You Left leaning folks as a group seem to be nice folks, but please, please don't get between me and my food, my firewood or my cubs. :-)

Edit: If BHO is elected it has been my contention all along that there will be a short time of euphoria during which the economy rises and things get "back to normal". During that time it might be prudent to buy stocks in companies that produce canned goods and other things that might come into short supply, like medicines, petroleum stuff, long wearing clothing and ammunition. I predict that there will be a full blown underground run on these things along with long term rentals of mini-warehouses and concrete blocks.

Jack

Wray Wrote:

.........reacer76, I do not covet my neighbors wife,does that make me a xzylophone

on a more serious note,...you indicated that you did detective and criminal court work, and I think you said you made judgement calls...........


............if this is an example of your work,then the Australian judicial system needs an immediate investigation for criminal neglect...........

...Quote... "And why not? Because you don't care and have no clue - which is fine. But don't criticise others who do care what happens on this planet and do have a clue.

American politics affects other countries. I have every right to comment on world politics and you have no right to try to suppress my views and opinions in an international forum.

"Xenophobia is an intense and/or irrational dislike and sometimes fear of people from other countries".

Now where have I indicated that I have a dislike or fear of Americans? I do have a dislike of Xenophobes."

.... whats next from you....off with their heads???????

Left/right is relative. There's no magical fixed centre point at which parties are suddenly one or the other. They are defined relative to others. In relation to the Repuglicans, the Demoncrats are left. Relative to my own country's politics, the Demoncrats could be labelled right. It's the same with Eric. It's all fairly subjective.

.....SJJ, not necessarily.............Your Kruddy comment will be read by many, howz zat for international unity.

Wyatt, you forgot to put a smiley face at the end of the sentence. LOL

Jack

.....sorry twig........arthritis..........and a poor education..........:.


PS.....I was born smilin.........

Jack my parent were democrats, but it meant something different back then. Back then what a democrat was very much like a republican today. My parents believed in state's rights to govern themself, and wanted less involvement in thier everyday lifes from federal goverment, today tha sounds like a republican. Somewhere along time the partys switched ideals, I think it happen after JFK, for Obama or Clinton to quote JFK, is like a American president to quote Stlin, todays democrats have nothing in common with JFK, he ask you what can you do for your contry, not what your country do for you. Todays democrat and the very fundementals of the party are looking for way to have the goveremnt to carry it people from the cradlt to the grave, sorry but this destroys freedom and everyhting it stands for.

For these reasons and the fundementals of the republican party that still "somewhat" beleive in letting the private sector fend for itself and let capitolism take care of itself to make this nation propser, I am republican. If i were living in the 40s, 50s or even early 60s I would be a democrat or dixiecrat as we called down here.

I used to tell my father who was democrat until he died, that he was republican and didn't even know it, that comment always sparked some lively discussions :)

wyatt Wrote:

don4975 Wrote:

RSS Wrote:

racer76 Wrote:

cfrantz Wrote:

Wray Wrote:

Something left of your Democrats (duh). My observation was ridiculing those accusing your Democratic party of being "socialists" and "marxists".

Duh? You still don't have an answer. What? What to the left? You made the statement, not me. Talk about the attention span of a goldfish. You ridicule people then call me a xenophobe.

....and you thought the tar baby was a thing of the past..........

Eric, are you talking about the socialist party of your fathers time. If you look at the current leadership in the party and what they believe in they would qualify. The platform has been mainstreamed over time and todays leaders are 1960 Socialists.

Wray Wrote:

racer76.......thats correct.............as in to be dead requires 3 bullets to the head,decapitation and total consummation by fire to the point of ash,and then used as a binder in the peoples concrete............any thing less is conjecture.

wyatt Wrote:

racer76,... thanks for the link and all, but being a poor man I could not afford a computer with all the bell and whistles....mine just can't do your posted gifts...alas-alak.....