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Nov 15, 2009 08:21:39
supergrade

Old rusty one is out, new one (right side) came in the mail. What is the usual method for welding one of these in? Do I stitch weld it from the underside? Do I drill a million holes in it and puddle weld? I've been practicing on the scrap I removed from the car and I feel pretty good about the welding, I'm just unsure how to go about it. Also, those British Heritage replacement body panels are E-coated, right? More dumb questions from me. If only these cars were made of wood!

Matt D.

Nov 15, 2009 08:31:49
gootyman

I drilled a bunch of holes and welded the pans in place. Then cleaned up the welds with a grinder. Used seam sealer on top and bottom of the floor pan and then painted with por 15.





Nov 15, 2009 08:48:36
zzzinger

I went with the million holes and puddle welds but if I had to do it over, I would get a pneumatic hole punching tool. It's a chore drilling them out.
Keep the metal clean and burn away.

Nov 15, 2009 15:28:37
NOHOME

X3 on the puddle weld. Weld from the top. I recommend a weld every inch. I use a divider to make nice even spacing. Get the floors to where they are going to sit.. Now you need to make a seried of holes that match the frame rail flange. Pop a few self taping screws in to make the positon repeatable. On the frame rails, drill la 1/8th hole up from the bottom in the middle of the frame flange and up through the floor at both extremes of the frame rail. Now you can run a staight line between the holes to mark the position of the framerail flange and drill all the holes with the panle on the bench.

As Chris Roop mentioned on another post. there are a lot of dodgy puddle welds out there. Good thing we go overkill on the number of them. Clean the flanges until you can't stand it anymore. If I do another floor, I am getting a sand-blaster to clean the things!

Get the two pieces of steel tight before you weld. I address each spot weld individually to make sure ther is no gap. I use a floor jack ad some steel in the under-dash area to help push down. In the open areas, I use a helper on the end of a notched-out tube. Get below and see if a little tap won't bring the flange closer to the floor.

Buy a de-burr tool and remove the drill ridge that always results as you drill through a panel. This will help keep the panels tight.

Weld-thru pirmer is something that I used to advocate but now avoid. I just don't see where the crap is doing the weld any good. Does not work at all with a TIG welder.

Don't try and puddle weld with the 3/16" or whatever size HF punches with their neat flanger punch tool. The hole fills up before you get a chance to melt the lower panel. Looks good from the top but no penetration. Use those as a pilot hole and go 5/16". Turn the heat up. If you don't see molten steel from below, you are cold. If you are making holes, move faster. Bonus of welding hot is that you wont have much if anything to frind off the top. By the time you do the first 100, you will have the hang of it!

Pete

Nov 15, 2009 15:52:23
supergrade

Thanks guys. This sounds like it will be a huge PITA but gotta do it, so thanks for the advice. I'm off wednesday, thursday, friday, so I guess I'll be drilling and welding all day (or days).

Matt D.

Nov 15, 2009 17:46:46
Steve Lyle

Great opportunity to justify getting a Drill Doctor, if you don't already have one. Get the kind that puts split tips on the bits. Drilling with a sharp bit is a joy, it'll go fast. Drilling with a dull bit is a waste of time. And good bits cost $'s.

Nov 15, 2009 19:02:05
pooch2

Stitch weld from underneath will be stronger and take 1/3 of the time.

But the purists here will cry.

Nov 15, 2009 19:12:28
chris

If you want to make purists cry, use FUSOR; I haven't , but it seems a no brainer since those who have have had no issues.

Nov 16, 2009 02:59:48
B mine

Chris-What is a FUSOR?

Nov 16, 2009 03:21:55
NOHOME

Oh, and if by chance you bought the pans without seat mounts, now is the time to put something under the floor to solve the issue. Fusor is an adhesive used in the automotive trade to glue on panels. The argument is that the new cars were designed to use this and all loads factored in. All bets are off with our old cars.

The fusor has a big advantage over welds insofar as it will not promote future rust. It also serves as a seam sealer. The trick to using it is that the bond line is meant to be very thin and you will need to clamp the panel tightly tot he flange; not so easy with a floor panel.

Pete

Nov 16, 2009 11:12:38
supergrade

Mmmm... $60 for a cartridge of Fusor and $60 for the dispenser, versus $0 for welding stuff I already have. Think I'll weld.

Nov 16, 2009 11:37:43
Montrose

Anyone can use glue, but it takes a real man to do welding....

:thumbup:

Nov 16, 2009 12:52:21
Be Coming

I'd rather be burn't than bonded.

:hot:

Nov 16, 2009 12:58:41
NOHOME

Everytime I mess with crazy glue or some of the super epoxies at work, I end up getting the stuff all over me and stuck to something. When I weld, I just burn myself. Hate to be stuck to the damn car waiting for the wife to come an cut me free!

Pete

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