jobs ?

I understand that the Pres stated that by getting rid of all of the medical paperwork and putting it all on computers, this would create jobs . So, the many, many folks who spent time shuffling papers will be replaced by a few sitting at keyboards ?
Also, if all of the new jobs created by fixing bridges, tunnels, roads and sewer lines will employ millions of people, I wonder how many of the hundreds of thousands who have lost jobs lately worked in those areas.....

Well, ever since I bought my first XT clone, I've been hearing about the "paperless society" computers would create. I'm still waiting, and I don't think it's getting any closer!

If they're hungry enough and want to eat, they'll learn how a shovel works.

saaboat Wrote:

Bill Trench, you have hit on what is wrong with the whole plan and why the market probably will not react favorably once they finally see this plan. The plan does not create a new job. It maintains, first a public job and then with the rest of the money after they cover State and City expenses they hire the same contractors as always to work for the State and City.

From the standpoint of the Government at the Federal Level they will not reduce their workforce only move the people around. The State will keep theirs because they are getting the bail out in grants so they will fund the existing workforce and not add a job.

That is one reason Obama has changed his rhetoric to be saving 4 million jobs and not adding jobs.

Once the new hiking trail is built by the State contractor and the money is spent the contractor will lay them off until he gets more work. It is a vicious circle.

Unless wall street sees money actually going into a business to grow it and produce real jobs they will not consider the company worth anymore than it is today. Why would the market consider the company worth a nickel more if all they are doing is the next job and their is no follow up job or increased capacity. Wall street does not own any of the City of San Diego.

Unless the new bridge in New Jersey increases capacity and productivity the businesses not worth more. They have a new cool bridge and are worth the same.

a co-worker sent me this link

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&refer=columnist_mccaughey&sid=aLzfDxfbwhzs

saaboat Wrote:

Derek up North Wrote:

The government will become your new PCP gatekeeper.

Taxes will be filed electronically via e-mail. Think about how much postage the USPS will lose. Mailing Valentine and Christmas cards will be very expensive in the near future.

Derek up North Wrote:

Having had to deal with the Social Security System and their Computer in the sky....I doubt whether O's new computers will solve anything.

Garbage in, Garbage out.

The US medical care system spends more money chasing paper than anyone in the world. Although most of that isn't for tracking your health, it's insurance payment, fighting the payment, shifting the payment, etc.. Singapore leads the world in medical efficiency in that regard. Something north of 20% of US medical costs are administration.

One of the bitter ironies of the US pseudo market based medicine is competition hasn't made the USA less expensive; it's the most expensive. With the right insurance plans it is first class. Competition works great when the buyers have power. Try negotiating with your doctor after you fall off the roof.

There are strong negotiators. We have socialized medicine, but it's run by large insurance groups in collusion and competition with large medical lobbies.

We don't prioritize for if it makes sense. We personally don't put cost into the equation. If that is what we want as a culture fine, but it's not free. Or even fair.

Anyone who's been in the military has seen socialized medicine. Granted, an unusually healthy group, but the system mostly works.

Personally I believe the system could work like food stamps. Everybody gets an allowance for purchasing decent insurance. Let the providers fight for that business.

Should folks with drinking issues get a liver transplant? Smokers circulatory care? Over weight dialysis? They definitely should get help getting clean, but should they get expensive repairs prior to being clean?

It's just a complicated mess. I like Bs for their simplicity.