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Nov 20, 2009 11:49:56
MDS031508

Has anyone used a metal adhesive, such as Lord Fusor, instead of welding, to repair/patch unibody structure or body panels? According to the manufacturer, these adhesive agents bond as well as welding, don't deform the panels and are impervious to corrosion.

Nov 20, 2009 11:54:45
frank0936

Do a search on it. There's been quite a lot of discussion this. One was done within the last week or two, I think.





Nov 20, 2009 12:03:34
molakermyrtles anne

I have used it to hold a panel in place, and have then welded.
It OK , but call me old fashion..............but I would not fill happy
just using

the adhesive.

Mo.........

Nov 20, 2009 12:16:39
Bill Young

Quite a bit of discussion on this and other forums about adhesives. My take is that for them to be correctly utilized the structure must have been designed and engineered with these in mind. Panel overlaps and surfaces were engineered to be able to take enough adhesive coverage to acheive the desired strength. I'm not sure that this would apply to the MG which was engineered to be spot welded and panel overlaps engineered for that type of fastening. Until I hear from a qualified automotive structural engineer who had run the joint under simulated fatigue testing, I'll stick to welding just to be on the safe side.

Nov 20, 2009 12:19:01
kstevusa

Mark, i used 3m #8229 Bonding Adhesive for some repair panels, (not structural) and also a metal patch behind the door skin for the "COD". It did alI I expected. It does require a dedicated applicator gun, but a local Body Shop lent me one. A F/G rear bumper was also mounted with the #8229 since the brackets had to be attached to the F/G cover. It plainly states not for structural panels where welding is required. Apparently many body shops use it.

Nov 20, 2009 12:29:54
Swamperca

Saw them used on Myth Busters, they don't work...............

Nov 20, 2009 12:48:19
Jack Long

Quote: "
Do a search on it. There's been quite a lot of discussion this. One was done within the last week or two, I think."


Here's a link:

<http://www.mgexperience.net/phorum/read.php?1,1273502,1273502#msg-1273502>

Nov 20, 2009 12:55:40
Blake Sonnier

Used fusor for my floor pans on the 72.. 6 years and it's all good...

Nov 20, 2009 13:10:52
Lonnie

"Used fusor for my floor pans on the 72"

Same here. All good.

Lonnie

Nov 20, 2009 13:19:24
Emil Wojcik

Epoxies work fine for UNSTRESSED panels (lower door skins, fender flairs...stuff like that). Use pop rivets to hold the repair in place while it cures. But you will have a VERY difficult time selling the car with this type of repair, even if it's done perfectly...and it would be unethical to not disclose this if you sell. I used epoxies in my younger days when I was smarter than everyone on the planet, with no ill effects over decades and tens-of-thousands of miles. But now that I'm much older and not as smart...I weld.

Nov 20, 2009 14:03:25
underdog

Quote: "
It plainly states not for structural panels where welding is required. Apparently many body shops use it."


Fusor rep told me the same. Not for structural components. This stuff is made for a couple of purposes. One is to duplicate factory materials when repairing late model collision damage. The adhesive is usually used in conjunction with resistance spotwelds in most cases. They also make expanding foam products to duplicate factory procedures. This is what gives your new car that nice tight quiet feel & sound.

The other purpose is to repair plastic parts such as bumper covers, mounting tabs on various plastic components ect. Again, these are non structural repairs.

So I think it should be kept in mind the intent of the manufacturer of these adhesives. It primarily is made to help the autobody tech duplicate the factory materials when restoring collision damage. New car manufacturers have engineered vehicle bodys to utilize such processes in the manufacture. In 1962, MG didn't design the MGB to be glued together. You can also be assured that Lord Fusor didn't develop thier line of products for people restoring 30yo cars.

So, the question is...does it work? Well it certainly does bond quite effectively. And yes, it seals moisture out of the resulting joint. But is this the purpose it was designed for? Answer.. No. So I suppose if someone wants to use it, they are taking on the part of an engineer in determining what is structural & what is not. The MGB unibody is so overbuilt that it doesn't surprise me that glueing in the floorboards doesn't make much dif. Heck, the MGA had plywood ones. Personally, I'll stick to putting things back together as close to factory as humanly possible.

Oh and yeah, we been over this before.

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