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Nov 15, 2009 21:39:02
cgill

Today a good friend of mine came over with his heavily modified Subaru WRX. He has upgraded the suspension, put in a monster turbo, and added an equally monstrous intercooler. He also has a methane injection system on the car but it hasn't been completely hooked up yet. The car has been dynoed at just shy of 300 hp at the wheels.

We took it for a drive. As you can imagine the acceleration was unreal, surreal, terrifying! At one point I accelerated onto the highway (empty of all cars in both directions and double laned) and within a few short seconds was shifting from 4th to 5th at 180 kph...going up a long hill.

Not only was the car terrifyingly fast but it also stuck to the road like glue.

His car made me really appreciate my GT because I will never be caught off guard by its acceleration. I am also much less likely to be arrested for excessive speeding! So although it was a thrill to drive, I'll take my GT over a 300hp monster any day.

:)

Chris

Nov 15, 2009 21:47:25
Phantomracer

We have a highly modified audi tt that is , what I call, stupid fast. Just insane (of course, after driving a B, most modern cars feel fast!) still rather drive my Bs any day of the week. The B, especially the BGT, is 'just right'





Nov 15, 2009 22:09:50
3885KOONTZ

I have an SRT-4, 225 bhp at the wheels, totally stock, 250 #of torque. Lots of fun. If I wanted to, I could put a stage III turbo kit on it, and increase the bhp to over 500. People do this, and I have to ask myself "Why?" As has been said, "It's stupid fast now." I love driving both this and my GT. I have the best of both worlds. And, as has also been said, you can get into trouble VERY fast in the SRT, if you are not careful.

Nov 15, 2009 23:26:04
mgb xtc

I have a 2004 WRX STi. 300hp/300tq. Pretty fun car.



Nov 15, 2009 23:31:29
Steve S

There does come a point when all the horsepower in the world is useless, because there is nowhere to use it. I'm in the camp of "rather drive a slow car fast" and all that stuff. :)

Nov 16, 2009 00:59:54
Les Brown

my brother in law's got one ,we have a laugh with him about it being a girls sports car because its got 4 doors and a pink badge :)

hellishly fast though,his is fitted with a dump valve,don't know what it does but it sounds pretty good.

Nov 16, 2009 03:28:52
comart45

Very cool car.

Nov 16, 2009 04:09:21
twigworker

Although "going fast" is thrilling I prefer the satisfaction of the combination of driving precisely and the ambiance of the noises and smells of the old cars.

I suppose that it is partly age, but just slipping into a comfy seat and stabbing the gas is sort of scary to me. The thought of a speeding ticket is not particularly appealing either.

I have been "on the edge" with more than a few super cars in my time and, call me a sissy if you must, but I just don't get off on that much adrenaline.

I find myself cursing those rocket ships as they zoom past me because I immediately think of my children and grandchild being out on the same road with them.

As far as Subaru's are concerned, you will have to go a long way to find a better balanced automobile. They were a secret for a long time but now it is out. Their size is right, they are reliable as bricks, they handle extremely well no matter the weather, they get decent gas mileage and have all the comforts that a human should need. On top of that the performance can be bought from normal little old lady stuff all the way up into the super car range. I have two at the moment, one at 150000 miles and the other at about 225000, having had five at one time, and they are right along side my FWD GMC truck for winter use.

FWIW: For those that are addicted to adrenaline Walter Mitty says that sticking WRX power into a stripped 914 would be awesome !!! LOL

Jack

Nov 16, 2009 04:13:40
Tall Man

In my view, it's more fun to ride a slow motorcycle fast. This is probably true for cars, too. I'd certainly enjoy tearing things up on a racetrack, but my inability to use a powerful car's abilities on the street in a safe manner would actually sour the experience of daily driving. I know that I'd always want to put my foot into it (that's the whole point of driving the damn thing, yes?), but I wouldn't be able to do so without significant risk to my safety and/or my wallet.

So, I'm quite content to ride my DR650SE and drive my B in as spirited a manner as my skills will allow. I'll leave my imaginary GSX1000R and my imaginary 911 Turbo parked my imaginary garage. ;)

-Jim

Nov 16, 2009 04:26:42
ourmg

Most of todays fast cars are not only fast but can really handle and take the road curves and all. Back in the 60's and 70's high horsepower cars had gobs of acceleration in a straight line until you had to take a corner then it was scary!

Nov 16, 2009 04:36:43
twigworker

So George. You have driven a GTO with non assisted ten inch drum brakes haven't you. LOL

Jack

Nov 16, 2009 05:55:27
MaineMG

Well, for some of us, our MGB actually IS fast, compared to our other rides...



My 1942 Ford GPW at Moosehead Lake, Maine


Ren

Nov 16, 2009 06:45:39
sdyck

Quote: "
There does come a point when all the horsepower in the world is useless, because there is nowhere to use it. I'm in the camp of "rather drive a slow car fast" and all that stuff. :)"


I agree with Steve S. I have a BMW 335i twin turbo 300 hp. Roads that were fun in the B I'd have to do twice the speed limit in the BMW to feel like I'm pushin the limit. The car is safe, but not much fun since I mostly drive it to and from work. Thinking about selling it in the sping and replacing it with a BGT.

Nov 16, 2009 06:56:50
MimosaB

Seems to be a pattern here. Everyone has one fast car and an MG. I'll chip in with my 2007 GTI coupe.

Nov 16, 2009 07:14:49
Phantomracer

Quote: "
Seems to be a pattern here. Everyone has one fast car and an MG. I'll chip in with my 2007 GTI coupe."


I think most 'modern' cars can be considered fast compared to a B! I am sure a Civic can outpace a stockish B anyday, certainly out handle it!

Even with a go-fast car in the driveway, I still will take and enjoy driving the B or BGT any chance I get over the Audi.

Nov 16, 2009 07:16:29
saanich2006

Ok, my two cents worth.

I love speed. However, you are always afraid that you will get a ticket and you never know what will happen when going faster than you should.

My MGB is fun. It is quick enough. I generally do not have to worry that I am exceeding the speed limit - at least not excessively.

When I want speed, I drive my other car. I spent eight years doing a ground up, 100% factory, Bowling Green specification restoration - all matching numbers. For insurance I had to have the car appraised and it received 98 out of 100 points. I lost two points because it was not the original paint - original color but not original paint - only 14 cars were ever painted this color from GM.

It is 1968 Corvette - there was no Stingray in 1968. It has a 472 cubic inch engine, four speed. It is rated for 435 HP, but when we put the engine on the dyno it was putting out closer to 550 HP and they said when the engine was broken in it would gain about 50 more HP. So I am pushing over 600HP. It is 11:1 compression with 490 pounds of torque. From the factory it is a tri-power - three two barrel carbs. For those of you who do not know this, it runs on the center carb. The outside two carbs have no adjustment. They are either full off or full on. They are vacuum operated, so when you get about 5000 rpm and put your foot into it they pop open. It will actually jerk your neck back when they kick in. The butterfly valves in the carbs are each about the size of a silver dollar. It red lines at 9000 rpm.

It will do 0 to 60 in five seconds and zero to 100 in 9 seconds and run the quarter in 12 flat.

So when I need speed I drive this toy. Now the down side. It runs high octane fuel, with lead additive and an additional octane boost. If I want I can go the local community airport and get aviation fuel. The BEST gas mileage I have ever gotten is six miles to the gallon. The worst is less than one gallon per mile - honest. You can take a coke bottle of gas and pour it as fast as you can into the center carb at idle and the engine will chug down, but it will not flood out or die.

The fastest I have ever driven it - well, it was long straight stretch of a new expressway and there were no other cars around - and I backed down at 164 and I was only running at about 7000 rpm, so I had plenty of power left. This is the only car in which Car & Track (in 1968) said that they were never able to find the top speed.

So do I like my MGB - yes. Is it blazing fast - no. Do I feel relaxed driving my MGB - yes. Do I feel relaxed driving my Corvette - NO!!!!!!

They each have their place.

Cheers,

Robert

Nov 16, 2009 07:27:34
B-racer

My wife is the HP queen of the house with the Dodge Charger. 110 mph on the freeway entrance ramp on her test drive with the sales guy sweating in the back seat. It handles like a Ski Nautique though. I think she'd prefer the B with a V8 conversion and automatic with a shift kit and ovedrive. :D

I used to drive a '67 Camaro that got as bad as .5 mpg average over a 4 mile dirve, the front wheel came off the road at 115 mph (back when open stretches of road still existed), and mediocre drum brakes all-'round. I don't want another one, and I don't want that one back. There's no love lost there.

Nov 16, 2009 07:46:09
Bill Young

The only improvement I would want in an MG is a little more reserve power for those times on the freeway or interstate when you get boxed in by a semi and want to get out of his way. (V6 conversion?) Ren, that Ford "Jeep" is a speed demon, my old 47 CJ2A would top out at 55 mph with the windshield up and 58mph with it folded, a real screamer! :bouncing:

Nov 16, 2009 08:14:23
GERONIMO

I too prefer the 'finesse' part of the driving experience. Those obscenely over horse powered vehicles can all KMA. To me the thrill isn't the macho of bragging "I've got XYZ horses at the wheels blah, blah, blah" to anyone stupid enough to believe it. It is being able to drag same gorillas out on the roads that have a few twisties etc. and take them to school. It's called 'finesse'. Any car that can can enter a nearly right angle turn at twice the posted speed limit and come out the other side at the same relative speed and not on the opposite shoulder is my choice. It irks me no end to see the newer cars advertised going sideways in a huge cloud of dust or smoke (hi-yo silver) when in reality they are out of control to the everyday driver. A true professional is driving the vehicle and is on the edge of the handling envelope. Finesse, that's what it's really all about, and the "B" can do it if set up properly.

Jim B.

Nov 16, 2009 08:19:48
saanich2006

I totally agree with Jim, in that my MGB can out handle my Corvette any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

Robert
73 MGB

Nov 16, 2009 08:28:07
cgill

Jim,

My buddy's WRX suspension is set up for rallying/autocross. We took it on a VERY (wet) twisty road and the thing stuck like glue. The car did not lose traction once or feel off kilter even at the speed he was taking the corners. I thought I was going to fill my pants a few times!

This car not only is a torque monster but it is also incredibly agile.

What it really comes down to is that I love the feel of my GT. I love the smell of it. I like its lines and I like the sound it makes. And I can feel like I'm driving fast even when I'm not going much over the speed limit. ;)

Chris

Nov 16, 2009 08:55:05
Ahmed

Here's a video on the same tune.. While it may be a bit biased because it is from Top Gear which is a TV show after all, but it shows a point..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-DGMrLGnLg

Nov 16, 2009 09:37:43
thehoupts

This is going to sound funny, but I put a MGB engine in my Nash Metropolitan because it has a lot more power than the stock engine. Now I have merging speed!

Jim

Nov 16, 2009 09:39:56
oily-hands

Quote: "
Here's a video on the same tune.. While it may be a bit biased because it is from Top Gear which is a TV show after all, but it shows a point..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-DGMrLGnLg"


That was one seriously well sorted Sprite. :thumbup:

Nov 16, 2009 09:54:47
OldBloke

I'm with Nigel!

Nov 16, 2009 10:02:19
Ahmed

Quote: "
I'm with Nigel!"


I'm with Sir Harold Wilberforce Clifton :D

Nov 16, 2009 10:26:47
Simon Austin

So Chris,

Your GT is good..............what about that V8 project you're working on? ;)

Nov 16, 2009 11:12:13
Steve S

There's a chap in our local group with a brand new and rather quick Aston Martin, and a mostly stock late model MGB (lowered, no rubber bumpers, etc). Many of the canyon roads around here are rather tight and twisty. He finds that on the road to his house (one of the aforementioned roads) that the MGB is far quicker because the Aston is so big that it takes up the entire lane. The MGB can take better lines.

Nov 16, 2009 12:28:56
Dashface

Quote: "
Well, for some of us, our MGB actually IS fast, compared to our other rides...



My 1942 Ford GPW at Moosehead Lake, Maine


Ren"


Haha excellent! I have the same problem with ol' Mr Grumbles here:



The world speed record in it is held by my father (who is braver than I, I suppose) at 87kmh, fourth gear, overdrive in, and red-lined :) The B feels like a Ferarri in comparison.

Nov 16, 2009 12:34:30
David Abbott

I'm going to have to go against the grain here and say that, ever since my first MGB (1965 Roadster) I've always thought the MG to be slightly lacking in the power dept. Keep in mind I was raised in the Southern California muscle car culture of the San Fernando Valley, so when I first got behind the wheel of my '65 B back in 1980, it wasn't exactly the type of car I was used to. MG's are not Jaguars. They were the working mans sports car, priced and powered modestly. Still, the lines of the Roadster and the Pininfarina influenced GT paired with the tractor like "lump"? I'm sorry, but I've always thought they were an odd pairing. Like a beautiful sleek jet powered by a Cessna engine.
It didn't make sense. The Healey in the Top Gear video...that car is perfectly matched to its 3.0 engine. Our B's, IMHO, were not. I am currently in the process of building what I believe will be the best of both Worlds, A 1970 BGT with a KA24E/Nissan 5speed drivetrain. When it is finished I will hopefully be able to say: "My MG has just the right amount of horsepower".

Nov 16, 2009 12:36:34
2003vrodpilot

I changed the courtesy light bulb this morning then drove off to work noticing my turn signals did not work, fuel gauge, maybe headlights, tach and whatever else. I checked fuses and they seem okay, not blown. The car is fine electrically so far? I need to commute home after dark and need lights. I will replace fuses in case I've missed something. Any ideas?

Nov 16, 2009 12:47:18
saanich2006

Tyler,

I think you must have wanted to post this in a new thread.

However, we will try to help. If everything worked before you changed the courtesy light bulb, I would start there.

Remove the bulb. Check to see of you are grounding out at the light somewhere. Did you knock a wire loose somewhere near the light or push a wire out of the socket when you changed the bulb?

Did you hit anything else? Check your emergency flasher switch. This is a major source for all the lights you described. Click it a few times and see if maybe it is shorting out. Maybe you hit it or leaned against it when changing out the bulb.

This is where I would start.

Robert
73 MGB

Nov 16, 2009 12:53:39
scottydawg

I could use about another 100 hp. I can handle it, I promise.

Nov 16, 2009 12:54:16
scottydawg

Quote: "
I changed the courtesy light bulb this morning then drove off to work noticing my turn signals did not work, fuel gauge, maybe headlights, tach and whatever else. I checked fuses and they seem okay, not blown. The car is fine electrically so far? I need to commute home after dark and need lights. I will replace fuses in case I've missed something. Any ideas?"


You need to start a new thread.

Nov 16, 2009 12:56:19
The Wiz

Quote: "


Haha excellent! I have the same problem with ol' Mr Grumbles here:



The world speed record in it is held by my father (who is braver than I, I suppose) at 87kmh, fourth gear, overdrive in, and red-lined :) The B feels like a Ferarri in comparison."


That's nice! The Landrover just wasn't the same after they moved the headlights outboard!

Nov 16, 2009 12:56:43
Stewart

My 73 is the quickest of the cars I own. My xterra is a slug that has to be poked with a cattle prod to get moving. There is something about going around a tight corner or just making a fast left hand turn at an intersection in the B and then mashing the gas till 6k that is so satisfying to the soul that I've never felt in another car even with 3 to 4 times the horsepower.

Nov 16, 2009 13:05:04
BritishV8

To each their own... but FWIW I've never seen a stock four cylinder MG that I'd trade my GT-V8 for, and my V8 would certainly be a lot more fun with another hundred foot pounds of torque. It would be safer too, because sometimes speeding up is a better way to avoid an accident than slowing down.

Nov 16, 2009 13:07:05
cgill

I should fess up that I'm also building a modified Rover/GM/Buick 215 V8 for my roadster project so it will definitely have just the right amount of power.

;)

Nov 16, 2009 13:29:15
bcliff

Let's see, There is an MGB roadster, A 66 Riley Elf (998cc) and an Austin Mini 850. You can guess which is my "fast" car>
Bruce

Nov 16, 2009 14:59:09
Simon Austin

Quote: "
I should fess up that I'm also building a modified Rover/GM/Buick 215 V8 for my roadster project so it will definitely have just the right amount of power.

;)"


That's more like it. It's good to get things out in the open. Do you feel better? :spinning:

Nov 16, 2009 15:02:08
cgill

I won't feel better until you find me a driver's side omni fender!

;)

Nov 16, 2009 15:17:10
Simon Austin

Jeez, I thought you wanted a Horizon fender.............:eyepop:
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Nov 16, 2009 15:33:30
underdog

Quote: "
Jeez, I thought you wanted a Horizon fender.............:eyepop:
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Ahh...Omnis or is it Om Niiii. Believe me, I'm old enough to remember when those things were worth fixing. I used to buy them wrecked, fix fix them and sell em to a friend with a parts store. He loved them for delivery cars. I had an 89 I drove for many years and sold it to him when it started getting rusty underneath. They finished it off mechanically before the tin worm got terminal.

Nov 16, 2009 15:54:11
Simon Austin

Well Jim, if you still have a DS fender, I know someone who's looking for one. :)

I was told at the last yard I was in that if I'd been there 15 years earlier, I'd have no trouble getting one. Looks like Chris is a bit late starting his project.

Nov 16, 2009 16:37:28
cgill

I'm having about as much luck finding a shifter for an 84 camaro/firebird V6!! A day late and a penny short as they say...

Nov 16, 2009 16:49:42
Simon Austin

What? All those parts in boxes and no shifter? Just what did you buy anyway?

Might be able to help with the shifter. The yard I was in had a few Camaro's and 'birds sitting in the sun. Perhaps I'll wander back and have a look. Does it have to be that exact regarding model, year and engine or will something else fit?

Nov 16, 2009 17:28:47
rocket ralphie

Here's 1100 HP in an old MG....

Nov 16, 2009 17:35:47
cgill

Oooh, that is one beautiful car....

Nov 16, 2009 17:45:37
rocket ralphie

Yeah, no guts to try it out though. How are things in beautiful Salmon Arm? Lived there some time ago, did the Salmon Arm Triathlon 2 years ago, oldest tri in BC. R

Nov 16, 2009 17:51:23
cgill

I would LOVE to give that car a go. Maybe not full out, maybe not even half out. Then again I would probably get hooked on it and my wife would kill me if I sold our house to buy one.

Ralph, salmon arm is great. You should drop in for a visit sometime.

Chris

Nov 16, 2009 17:57:58
ourmg

Oh I'll take a V8 in the B any day. I love the four but the V8 really does it!

Nov 16, 2009 17:58:59
Steve S

I kind of prefer a straight six in my B. Oh wait, that's a C! ;)

Nov 16, 2009 18:48:13
britcars

Quote: "
I'm with Nigel!"
I'm with Nigel and Jim on this one too. Also like all the Nigel Shiftright stuff by the late Phil Frank.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?article_id=3386

Nov 16, 2009 19:01:31
mac townsend

Quote: "
Jim,

My buddy's WRX suspension is set up for rallying/autocross. We took it on a VERY (wet) twisty road and the thing stuck like glue. The car did not lose traction once or feel off kilter even at the speed he was taking the corners. I thought I was going to fill my pants a few times!

This car not only is a torque monster but it is also incredibly agile.

What it really comes down to is that I love the feel of my GT. I love the smell of it. I like its lines and I like the sound it makes. And I can feel like I'm driving fast even when I'm not going much over the speed limit. ;)

Chris"


Even an almost 20-year old AWD Legacy wagon (1991) with stock hp (120-140?) sticks like glue on nearly every road...and when you break it loose it drifts nice and mannerly, throttle steerable and just flaming nice. Had to junk mine 5-6 years ago when a burned valve wouldn't let it pass smog.

Nov 16, 2009 19:13:42
mgbgts

I'd have to say I enjoy the feel, sound and character of my "B", but I think I would enjoy it more with a little more power. Not a ton more, just a little more (maybesomeday I'll get a supercharger), as I think the chassis begs for it..

Nov 16, 2009 23:57:42
mrbarry

you guys need to put that equipment on the autobahn and go..

i always laughed , guys put american spec out there and burnt them up.. evidently they had ball bearings instead of the roller bearings , and they fried at sustained speed ,
i do not care how fast a machine you have , get it on the fast road and soon there will be some dude in a sure enough land combat rocket flashing to pass..

m

Nov 17, 2009 06:01:53
BrsMgbv6

works for me.

Nov 17, 2009 06:45:37
PaulM

Quote: "
I should fess up that I'm also building a modified Rover/GM/Buick 215 V8 for my roadster project so it will definitely have just the right amount of power.

;)"



That's what I was thinking!

Nov 17, 2009 13:08:18
Bruiserman

First post and new to the MGB's, I will be getting my MGB this weekend hopefully, it's a 79'. I'm so excited. It will be a nice car to just cruise in and take it easy with. Will be a perfect balance with my ZX-14 that can get me into trouble sometimes.



Nov 17, 2009 15:50:33
Don Cooke

I agree that my B is a bit shy on power, but I do find it relaxing on the highway. Most speed limits out here are 65-75MPH and the B feels at home in that range. A 5 speed would help keep the revs down a bit, but the B is pretty comfortable there. I also don't need to worry about speed traps etc....relaxing as has been pointed out.
On the other hand, my 09 Audi A4 is a middle of the road modern car that gets up to 90MPH or more, so quickly and quietly that you could easily blow by a speed trap. Therefore it is a bit more stressful to drive. I can only imagine how useless a high performance car would be in the US. On the Autobahn or the Autostrada maybe......here in the States I'd rather be driving my B or my Porsche 912.
Don Cooke

Nov 17, 2009 16:09:18
RAY 67 TOURER

This is where the the Moss supercharger comes in. You can set it up to give a little more power or get crazy with the boost and go full out. On my '67 Tourer I wanted extra torque so that I wasn't forced to be constantly downshifting on the long winding hills of Northern California. I run the larger pulley to give the least amount of boost, around 7 lbs. With a flowed head I am able to drive the car as if it had two extra cylinders. I find myself shifting into and out of overdrive rather than having to choose a lower gear. It really has transformed the car. I had a '64 GTO in the late 60s and it was as fast as hell, but couldn't handle worth a darn or stop to save your life . RAY

Nov 17, 2009 16:12:53
magnette1

Reading this thread has (I think) saved me a considerable amount of $$. Thankyou people!
I have a worked B motor in my car that has just got to that nice sweet running stage where everything seems to be working how it should.
So after a little motor sport last weekend I start to think that just a little more HP would be good and was thinking of getting another car.


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Nov 17, 2009 16:35:37
danmas

My MG also has just the right amount of horsepower - somewhere between 300 - 350. It handles better and stops quicker than stock as well.

http://www.britishv8.org/MG/DanMasters.htm

Nov 17, 2009 17:22:26
cgill

Quote: "
My MG also has just the right amount of horsepower - somewhere between 300 - 350. It handles better and stops quicker than stock as well.

http://www.britishv8.org/MG/DanMasters.htm"



Hey Dan,

I sent you an email a while back with a question about your omni flares. Did you get it?????

Chris

Nov 17, 2009 17:59:48
danmas

Quote: "
I sent you an email a while back with a question about your omni flares. Did you get it?????
"


Chris,

You have an e-mail. I apologize for the delay.

Nov 17, 2009 18:30:28
scotabbott

Yeah. Stupid fast.

Irresponsibly fast. Stupid.

Nov 17, 2009 18:58:11
danmas

Thank you , Scot, that just makes me enjoy the car that much more.

Nov 17, 2009 19:41:31
2putt

Quote: "
Thank you , Scot, that just makes me enjoy the car that much more."


Dan..........That is one sweet looking ride.......I started off with single carb 75......converted to dual SU........while it was much better,....still couldn't run with a Vega,.....my goodness.......enough power????........not meaning to offend those with a wellsorted out 4,.......but after running 10 years with my 231 Buick,.......I could NEVER be satisfied with a stocker again

Nov 17, 2009 19:46:42
scotabbott

{ This is meant to be a polite rant}

Dan,
IMHO, one person is welcome to enjoyment, so long as, in their persuit of enjoyment, they do not encroach on the freedom or safety of others, in the persuit of that enjoyment. The difficulty I have experienced is that some people with very powerful cars use them in ways that put others at risk without asking the other people on the road for their permission to do so. That is simply irresponsible, egocentric and essentially sociopathic behavior.
I fully realize that some people will gleefully point out that they drive responsibly, can handle the cars, (and blah blah blah) and it is their 'right' to keep and drive such a car on the public roadways. In a similar vein, some people also believe that they have the right to carry a loaded gun-even in a crowd. I feel that loaded guns belong on a shooting range, a place where the people present take the risk of being around loaded guns, and where there is a great care taken for the safety of everyone there. In a similar vein, I feel that inordinately powerul cars belong on a track or drag strip-not on a public roadway. I also accept that a car can do much more damage than a loaded gun.

Nov 18, 2009 23:04:00
rlich8

Dad has a BMW Z8 Roadster. Very beautiful car. Fast too. This car is essentially an extremely fast, retro-modern E Type. Looks like one and feels like one, the boot even has that same distinct closing noise. No frills. But it's got a 400hp German V8 in it (same motor as the M5 BMW). Scary fast. SCARY fast.

He never even gooses the gas much at all (and rightfully so). Just a little bit once in a great while (and we're only talking to 80-90mph). I drove it once and never wanted to drive it again.

My dad never gooses it because his brother was killed in a car accident in 1974, in a 1959 MGA Coupe, ironically. I don't for the same reason. No one has a right to speed and endanger other lives. If you want to do it late at night and there's absolutely no other cars on the road, that's your business, you're only endangering your own life.

I can have all the fun I need from 0-50 in my MGB. :)


Nov 18, 2009 23:53:20
scotabbott

This quote set illustrates the problem exactly:

First goes the " No one has a right to speed and endanger other lives."

(With which most reasonable folks say they agree)

BUT then comes

"If you want to do it late at night and there's absolutely no other cars on the road, that's your business, you're only endangering your own life.

This is the slippery slope.
There's no way to be absolutely sure the road is empty, and, in addition,
it is essential permission to 'do it' under poor visibility conditions.

The seemingly silly rules about speeding, driving after alcohol comsumption, texting, cell phone use, stopping at an intersection when a traffic light is red, etc., are to provide safety for the users of the public roadways and protest us all against the frailty of human judgement and unexpected events.

Nov 19, 2009 04:42:25
scottydawg

Speaking of slippery slopes, Scot, by your logic we should all be put into safe soft rubber rooms at birth and never be allowed to make any decisions.


Quote: "
This quote set illustrates the problem exactly:

First goes the " No one has a right to speed and endanger other lives."

(With which most reasonable folks say they agree)

BUT then comes

"If you want to do it late at night and there's absolutely no other cars on the road, that's your business, you're only endangering your own life.

This is the slippery slope.
There's no way to be absolutely sure the road is empty, and, in addition,
it is essential permission to 'do it' under poor visibility conditions.

The seemingly silly rules about speeding, driving after alcohol comsumption, texting, cell phone use, stopping at an intersection when a traffic light is red, etc., are to provide safety for the users of the public roadways and protest us all against the frailty of human judgement and unexpected events."

Nov 19, 2009 06:28:49
underdog

I just spent a day at the drag strip with the TR8. It has done a best 1/4 mile of 13.6 @ 100mph. I suppose by the above definition that would be stupid fast? Well, I couldn't manage to beat a single car in my three runs. A Pontiac G8 with some engine mods left me like I was in reverse. Also, there's no doubt in my mind that despite being a 4door sedan, it would easily out handle and brake my B. No need to bash those who have done engine conversions. There's plenty of faster stuff coming to the local showroom floor.

Scott, I don't know about a rubber room. Perhaps the other Scot would be happy if we all had a powder blue Prius??:S

Oh and BTW, If the funds were available I'd be making the TR faster. I'm tired of being the last one at the end of the track.:(

Nov 19, 2009 08:36:08
scotabbott

What I am advocating is responsible and respectful use of the public roadways. What people do elsewhere is their own business.

I personally feel that exquisitely fast cars promote irresponsible driving behaviors when they are routinely driven on the public roads. My feeling is that those who want the rush of great acceleration, etc., need to fill their desires NOT on public roads, and that those cars belong on raceways and dragstrips.

I have ridden with a number of people with 'hot' converted B's, and every one of them has done some really stupid illegal stuff (speeding, prolonged harsh acceleration, beating other cars off the line from a stoplight, etc). My guess is that folks with these very powerful cars are simply in denial about this topic.

Nov 19, 2009 09:07:58
Edd Weninger

Well, not too fast, but adding 4 cylinders gets me to just the right amount of horsepower.

Nov 19, 2009 11:24:33
rlich8

Quote: "
What I am advocating is responsible and respectful use of the public roadways. What people do elsewhere is their own business.

I personally feel that exquisitely fast cars promote irresponsible driving behaviors when they are routinely driven on the public roads. My feeling is that those who want the rush of great acceleration, etc., need to fill their desires NOT on public roads, and that those cars belong on raceways and dragstrips.

I have ridden with a number of people with 'hot' converted B's, and every one of them has done some really stupid illegal stuff (speeding, prolonged harsh acceleration, beating other cars off the line from a stoplight, etc). My guess is that folks with these very powerful cars are simply in denial about this topic."


I agree with you Scot. I apologize for not wording my statement more carefully. I would also like to clarify that I do not speed and endanger my own life.

Nov 19, 2009 11:43:14
gow589

Before my V6 conversion my MGB was up for sale. I had no interest in the car the way it handled or with the amount of power it had. It sounded great as "Mom's" minivan passed me by.

Being small car it seems to be going faster then it is. Soon you realize just how slow it was. In ten years of owner ship I did't put 1000 miles on the car.

Since I have put the V6 and made many changes to the suspension and other items I have put over 3000 miles on the car in a short period of time and would take it anywhere; except major busy highways (just too damn small to mix it up in heavy traffic). I wouldn't buy a stock MGB unless it was it was targeted for a conversion. I got lot's of things I would if I were to do it again but I have other cars I would rather spend time and money on.

Nov 19, 2009 12:10:42
underdog

Quote: "
What I am advocating is responsible and respectful use of the public roadways. What people do elsewhere is their own business.

I personally feel that exquisitely fast cars promote irresponsible driving behaviors when they are routinely driven on the public roads. My feeling is that those who want the rush of great acceleration, etc., need to fill their desires NOT on public roads, and that those cars belong on raceways and dragstrips.

I have ridden with a number of people with 'hot' converted B's, and every one of them has done some really stupid illegal stuff (speeding, prolonged harsh acceleration, beating other cars off the line from a stoplight, etc). My guess is that folks with these very powerful cars are simply in denial about this topic."


Hmmm...So should there be HP/Weight ratio limits? This sounds an awful lot like the early 70s legislation that killed the muscle car and brought us things like the RB MGB which certainly didn't help MG. Interesting that the EPA and insurance industry were so intent to kill performance cars back then?? Meanwhile the new stuff today would put a big block 69 Camaro to shame. Perhaps they are happy to just adjust the premiums and let things go? Or maybe the performance cars really aren't as big a safety hazard as percieved?

I'm certainly not advocating reckless driving. Wanna know what scares me the most on the highway though? People talking and texting on thier phones, grandpa and grandma tooling around on thier meds without a clue as to where they are. That's what scares me. Someone speeding or driving agressively I can usually spot and stay away from/let them go. A car sailing through a stop sign or making a left into my lane is not as easy to predict.

And don't be fooled that somehow everday cars aren't capable of getting a reckless driver in trouble. The average sedan with a big V6 is no slouch in acceleration or top speed. I visit salvage auction sites daily. The ratio of demolished everyday drivers to high performance cars has to be around 50 to 1. That's not a statistic just my opinion based on what I see. I don't see tons of GTOs or Caddy CTS type V. What I see are Honda Accords, Civics, Minivans, Cobalts and garden variety sedans. And most are predominantly hit in the frt or rear or combination thereof. That tells me most accidents are from someone not paying attention not cause they flew off the road at high speed.

Scot, I'd venture to say that those people you rode with were trying to impress you. Show off thier work so to speak. Probably best to stay out of those type cars in the future. Or perhaps tell them straight out you don't care for a demonstration.

Nov 19, 2009 12:47:14
Steve S

Well stated, Jim. People with hot-rodded classics are probably some of the more attentive drivers on the road. I would rather share the highway with a hundred of them than ten people in Honda Civics with cell phones.

The only other option is to start telling people how much power is too much. Who makes that call?

Nov 19, 2009 12:49:57
pgawan2be

Quote: "
My MG also has just the right amount of horsepower - somewhere between 300 - 350. It handles better and stops quicker than stock as well.

http://www.britishv8.org/MG/DanMasters.htm"


Drool!! Drool!! Dan, i just love your car I think you need to come to MG2010 so i can go for a spin with ya:)

Ken

Nov 19, 2009 12:54:22
lindahli

Greetings..everyone!

I highly recommend a documentary titled, "Inside the Octagon", which many of you may already have in your library!

"MG Car Company, approached the business of building a production sports car with a directness of purpose that was almost frightening. The plan was simple. A design feature or a piece of equipment that could stand the stress of high speed and brutal punishment during hours of competitive racing was good enough to be incorporated into the sports model for the general public. A prototype car was built first, then a record-breaking machine, which was run at official speed trials, followed by a racing version, and finally the so-called sedate road model. However, the road model always carried the genes of its fierce racing ancestry. Sedate was hardly the word!" Lost Knowledge of the Past

"What is the appeal of the MG? The best way to describe it is to call it a personal car. It will do whatever the driver asks, within limits. But these limits are widespread. The engine is rugged, long lasting, and easy to maintain. The car handles with the quickness of a cat, and readily forgives most driving errors." Lost Knowledge of the Past

The last quote captures the essence of the MG's appeal but most people choose to buffer that with common sense. The MGB, is one of the last hand tooled sports cars in automotive history, therein lies not only an interesting fact but one of the reasons I enjoy my LBC and she does still perform...although she is in pieces now. She is getting a makeover! vrrroommm ; ) BTW...she's stock!!

Cheers,
Linda

Nov 19, 2009 13:10:06
BrsMgbv6

Look, I'm a slow lane guy, never in a hurry got nothing to prove. People pass me by whatever I'm in. The V6 in my B does one thing, it gives me, the defensive driver, the ability to avoid, get out of the way, move quickly to avert, etc. etc. Something that old 4 banger just really couldn't do in TODAY'S world! I feel far safer knowing that.

Nov 19, 2009 14:32:18
scotabbott

Very high performance cars are the fashion of the day, and the media ads suggest driving fast in cars is like a kind of sexual pleasure experience. Those and related activities belong Not on the public streets. Texting, speding etc. are illegal behaviors in many places. The problem is that pople still do them, regardless of the statutes.
A quick google search gave an interesting table which shows the horsepower, weight per horsepower and pricetag of common newer models. Our typical conversion cars are in the main pack of cars, but the high performance ones are more like the RS4, Z4, etc.
I wonder why insurance companies charge a premium for cars like the RS4, caddy TS series...


Model=HP / Price / lbs per horsepower
Acura TSX=205 / $29000 / 15.7
Acura TL=286 / $39000 / 12.6
Audi TT=255 / $40000 / 10.9
Audi A3=250 / $34000 / 12.9
Audi RS4=420 / $66000 / 8.6
BMW 3 Series=300 / $41000 / 10.9
BMW Z4=330 / $51800 / 9.1
Bugati Veyron 16.4 =987 / $1,200,000 / 4.2
Buick LaCrosse=240 / $29000 / 14.5
Buick Lucerbe=275 / $35000 / 13.6 /
Cadillac CTS-V=400 / $51000 / 9.2
Cadillac STS-V=469 / $77000 / 8.2

Chevy Cobalt SS=205 / $22000 / 13.5
Chevy Corvette C6=400 / $45000 / 7.95
Chevy Corvette Z06=505 / $70000 / 6.3
Chevy Impala SS=303 / $28000 / 11.7 /
Chevy Malibu SS=240 / $25000 / 13.2
Chevy Monte Carlo SS=303 / $28000 / 11.0
Chevy Trailblazer SS=395 / $33000 / 12.0

Chrysler Crossfire=215 / $40000 / 14.0
Chrysler PT Cruiser=230 / $29000 / 13.3
Chrysler 300C SRT-8=425 / $40000 / 8.7

Dodge Caliber SRT-4=300 / $24000 / 9.8
Dodge Charger SRT-8=425 / $36000 / 8.9
Dodge Viper SRT-10=510 / $84000 / 6.7

Ford Mustang GT500=500 / $41000 / 6.7
Ford Mustang GT=300 / $28000 / 11.5

Honda S2000=237 / $34000 / 11.9
Honda Civic Si=197 / $24000 / 14.6

Hyundai Tiburon=172 / $20000 / 17.3

Infinite G35=315 / $35000 / 11.1

Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT-8=425 / $40000 / 11.2

Lexus IS350=306 / $35000 / 11.3

Lincoln MKZ=263 / $35000 / 12.9

Lotus Elise=190 / $43000 / 10.4
Lotus Exige=243 / $80000 / 8.1 (Not street legal)

Mazda MX-5=170 / $28000 / 14.35
Mazda RX-8=238 / $28000 / 12.7
MazdaSpeed3=260 / $24000 / 10.3
MazdaSpeed6=287 / $30000 / 11.1

Mercedes CLK=475 / $85000 / 7.5

Mini Cooper S=175 / $25000 / 14.5

Mitsubishi Evo XI=286 / $35000 / 11.18
Mitsubishi Eclipse=260 / $29000 / 14.1

Nissan Altima=365 / $30000 / 11.5
Nissan 350Z=315 / $42000 / 10.6

Pontiac Solstice GXP=260 / $26000 / 11.5
Pontiac G6=252 / $29000 / 13.4
Pontiac Grand Prix=303 / $28000 / 11.4

Porche Boxter S=295 / $65000 / 9.7
Porche Cayman S=295 / $70000 / 10

Saleen S7 Twin Turbo=750 / $600000 / 3.9

Saturn Ion=205 / $21000 / 13.4
Saturn Sky=260 / $29000 / 11.2

Scion tC=161 / $17000 / 18.0

Subaru STI=293 / $33000 / 10.3
Subaru Legacy=250 / $34000 / 12.2

VW Jetta 200 / $24000 / 16.1
VW GTI 200 / $23000 / 15.8

Volvo V50 218 / $35000 / 14.8
Volvo S60 300 / $36000 / 11.6
Volvo V70 300 / $37000 / 10.98
Volvo S80 311 / $45000 / 11.2

Nov 19, 2009 16:02:30
BMJ

If I had it to do over with my '77 B, I'd go supercharger. I had a rover 3/4 built and sold it to my moving man along with my ex's B fro 350.00 just to move it after the divorce. I recently asked him, if he would consider selling it back. Yeah, for 3500.00!!! ARSE!!! If the B engine is in good shape like my former, My re evaluation would of been a supercharger. I run one on my '98 4Runner. Not for speed but for power for I drive on trips and the hillls of the great state of Texas would make the former stock engine downshift to the point of being irratating!

The Austin 3.0 is a heavy dog for the front end and the alum Rover is lighter than the B's current engine.

I had in 2003 a Honda S2000. That engine reved and screamed if pushed and afterward, purred at idle. I remember pulling up beside my neighbor in his BMW, I won! Days gone by. Divorce sucks but am happier for now I can buy what ever:)

Nov 19, 2009 16:37:06
scotabbott

The cheapest and good reliable route to a '100 hp B' I've gone is hi comp pistons and fuel injection in a stock B.
I've also gone the BV6 route (done a 2,8 and a couple of 3.1's and a 3.4 in process) . The resulting B is much more more powerful but it is more expensive, more complex, and takes longer than just efi and hi compression pistons.

Ya pays yore money and takes yore choice...they sez

Nov 19, 2009 16:45:50
underdog

Quote: "

I wonder why insurance companies charge a premium for cars like the RS4, caddy TS series...

"


I would guess they cost more to replace?? Duh. They get hit & the airbags pop....TOTAL!

Nov 19, 2009 16:46:22
gow589

God forbid it would cost a dollar. I wouldn't agree a change is necessarily more complex.


Quote: "
The cheapest and good reliable route to a '100 hp B' I've gone is hi comp pistons and fuel injection in a stock B.
I've also gone the BV6 route (done a 2,8 and a couple of 3.1's and a 3.4 in process) . The resulting B is much more more powerful but it is more expensive, more complex, and takes longer than just efi and hi compression pistons.

Ya pays yore money and takes yore choice...they sez"

Nov 19, 2009 17:19:28
danmas

MGBGT Ford 302 / $????? / 6.8

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