General non-MG related discussions. No politics here please!!
National Sovereinty, hopefully an issue that cuts through party lines, and an issue thats of interest to all. We are a bit of an international forum.So everybodys comments are important. My thoughts are I am very worried that we(USA) are giving it away, to our peril.
Are you referring to the Law of the Seas treaty? If so, I completely agree with you.
I also can't believe that W complied with the international court by issuing a stay of execution for the convicted murderer in Texas. That was weak and a very bad precedent.
-d
National Sovereignty? I personally can't wait for a world government, even though I am an anarchist. National this, national that, just bothers me.
peace, Kyle
I live in the southewest and I can assure you we are giving this part of the country to Mexico. Ten years ago there was an attempt made by the illegals to at least learn the language and the businesses were maintaining the line and using one language in their business all signs were in english only. Now it is all caving in to the bi-lingual group and you are the outcast in many areas. Little by little it keeps changing. There is little desire on the part of the Government to stop the flow. Once here there are significant support groups in place to make it easier for them to operate in the States. Those that have become legal citizens are for the most part very good citizens and work very hard to support their families and employers or themselves. The problem is we are making it too convient for those who choose to come illegally to stay under the radar and abuse the system. Just note the hospitals and medical facilities which have had to close down. Like everything in life it is a series of small steps, unfortunately these steps are in the wrong direction.
well, in the interst of the PC, tree hugging, group of berkinstalk secular progressives, if the USA got that white hat muddied up a bit and first tossed the UN out, collected the cars or the parking/speeding fines from tickets of the diplomats that would be a first step.
Then adopt the Mexican immigration laws to the letter. Look em up.
Return the spirit of a "diety" as is written in the constitution and leave it alone because if it were not for the menorah and Christ there would be no "winter holidays" and you would be working till the end of the year also attributed to that Christ....remember in the "western world" that is where we are folks, the western church religated the days of the calendar hence the "holidays" So SP's your days off is because of the religious...if you do not want it off stay at work. Opppps national sovereinty that's the subject, well start by booting the UN. Start calling in those world debts we have extended to our enenies.
I personally can't wait for a world government ---- Really ? why ? I have done alot of traveling around the world lately and let me tell you one thing , I want nothing at all to do with anything any other country has , be it healthcare , cultures or anything , granted the sandy beaches are nice and the women are out of this world but I am happy with our little republic just the way it is . The government has its problems but couple it with China or Holland or Sudan , I see nothing a world gov. could help .
"I am an anarchist"....I'm sorry, but I just have to laugh at that statement,especially combined with your "peace" bit.
Try a few weeks in Myanmar (Burma) then come back and give us a report.
Its fun to be stupid,..from the safety of your secure home.
Cuba is looking for a few good anarchists....
I guess being a Ron Paul supporter, y'all can guess my opinions on this one.
I'm more worried about the bureaucrats signing my homeland away in treaties and amendments than I am any thug with a religious axe to grind.
Just remember the adage about the frog in the pot of water...
Zachary, always remember...nothing is irreversable......The Sudatenland comes to mind.
Jerry Wrote:
Take a look at Leo Toltsoy, he was what I am-Anarchist, Pacifist-Christian(is there any other kind?). Anarchism is no state and no government, it does not mean violence. Yes, I want to get rid of government, but not with violence. I know it will never happen, but it's nice to dream. Thats what society always tells us "Follow your dreams", not that I do what society wants.
Peace, Kyle
Is thanksgiving christian? That'd be a good reason for me to stop celebrating it... I really hate turkey and have been looking for a reason for some time, but I never would have thought of that one!
Kelly
Thanksgiving was invented by the Pilgrim settlers of the Americas as a way of giving thanks to their God - so it was actually invented as a Christian holiday.
Thanks Mike. I'm guessing I knew that, but didn't really think of it, since I've got the silly teachings of our public school system in my head ('it was created to thank the native americans for their generosity... yada yada yada' - I don't remember the details)...
Now I feel ashamed for asking such a stupid question - I guess my brain is dead after a long day at work...
Kelly
Jerry Wrote:
Anarchist means no state or government , well that might sound all peachy but it doesn't work . People won't just sit around all day holding hands and licking toads , people need structure and believe it or not , no matter how screwed up politics and government are , it provides it .
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The Wiz Wrote:
to make the conversions easier the church worked the "holidays" together....those with the education had the power in those days...
Eric E..."invade another country" yup that's the USA....the sun never sets on the "American Empire"
Eric, nice flag ya got there, although maybe the rising sun would be equally as nice.
Eric has the flag of his country - as do I, and as do you.
Yes, and they are wonderful. A gift from the men and women who died fighting to defend them against imperialism, not promoting it as suggested.
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Eric M Wrote:
Nope , just sit around , hold hands and sing and everything will be alright , love is in the air .
What a bunch of curmudgeons - let a guy dream if he wants to dream.
Montrose Wrote:
Hey, you get to keep a lot more of your National Sovereignty than we have in the UK! (Although at least we still have a Sovereign! ;) )
Half of all the new laws in this country come straight from the EU, dreamt up by a bunch of appointed, unelected commissionars dreaming of a united federal Europe, and rubber-stamped by a parliament of whom 90% represent other European countries who couldn't care less about the UK.
At least we have (so far) avoided joining Monetary Union, so we still have some vestige of control over our own economy...
Rant over (for now...)
Richard & Sammy ('73 Black Tulip BGT)
rbgos Wrote:
Montrose has a point, let him be young and an idealist.He has his whole life to get the crap kicked out of him.
rbgos, its a shame in the UK, but at least you have a grasp of whats going on. What does it take to end this foolishness?
The answer is a good marketing man, and lots of money.
Too right Kelly. I think a very larger proprotion of people in the UK are pretty unhappy about the way the EU is run and the effect it has on our country. However, there are plenty of arguements that state we'd be screwed if we left - not least of which is that, in order to trade with EU countries we'd still have to follow most of their rules, but we would have no more say in setting those rules. Opinion is divided on whether we're better off in or out, but the "better the devil you know" arguement, fear of the unknown, and apathy mean the majority still, reluctantly, favour membership.
Right now a new treaty is being signed. This is a re-branding of one that failed 2 years ago (referenda in Holland and France voted against it). We in the UK were promised a referendum on it last time, with our governement safe in the knowledge they'd never have to hold it because the treaty would fail referenda in other countries before ours was ever held. This time around our government is refusing to honour that promise for a referendum, because they know they will lose. Funnily enough, NO other EU country will be holding a referendum either this time (with the exception of Ireland which is constitutionally bound to, and will vote YES anyway 'cos they receive quite a lot of wonga from the EU).
I'm getting riled now (on a subject that probably few in the US understand fully and fewer still care about), so I'd better shut up!
Richard
