The Dark Side: V8, V6 & 4 Cylinder Engine Conversions and related radical modifications (brakes, transmission, suspension, drivetrain) for MGB, MGA, Midget and all other MG models. Purists beware!
What remote oil filter take-off plate are people using on a 3.1L V to clear the header? I haven't gotten my headers yet...but it seemd like the stock filter sticking back like it does would be in the way of the down pipe.
So what are people using for the take off plate adapter?
ptegler
Paul,
CCE provides a nipple that goes in the block and has the same thread as the oil filter. It changes the orientation by 90 degrees and allows the oil filter to clear the header. The oil filter screws up tight against the block.
Chuck
Paul,
If you remove your oil filter from the 90 degree adapter, look into the threaded component. You will see that it has a large alan shape to it- get the correct alan socket, remove this item and put it tight into the block where the 90 degree once bolted to. you may now install the filter directly to the block. Easier than pie!
-BMC.
fantastic. You weren't kidding....couldn't be simpler.
So now....in testinf that fitment...you've created two new quandries for me.
1- I'm assuming you need to use a much shorter filter to clear the frame?
2- where do you remount the oil pressure gauge sender?
mine is mounted on the 90° adapter and I don't see a simple port on the side of the block.
tia
ptegler
1- yup. Cant recall the part number but if you walk into a local auto store and tell them you have a camaro engine from ___________- then tell them you need the short version of the filter and they can get the right one about 1-2 inches shorter.
2- take a look at where the oil filter mounts now. At the 11-o-clock position, you will see a pipe plug- remove this and you can install the oil line connection in there.
-BMC.
Thanks again there Brian.
As I have the engine sitting on a home made roll aorund stand... that little port you just described was hidden behind the edge of the original motor mount still bolted to the side of the block.
thanks again...VERY much.
ptegler
No problem but i best get back to work away from this machine...
Car Quest filter # 85040. I don't recall if thats the cheap one or the better one. You may cross reference that at a NAPA or other retailer if desired. Most companies have a cross reference book.
-BMC.
Any front wheel drive filter will work. rigth above the oil nipple, there is pipe plug, removed the pipe plug and use this for the oil line to the stock location oil sending fitting, stock MGB VDO sells a mechanical oil sending kit. $14.00
If you are using an electric gauge, then install the sending unit on topfirewall were the fitting is for the mechanical gauge.
This is one way.
No one answered the original question.
What is the best method to connect a remote oil filter and cooler to the block.
Can a spin on adapter be used?
Mike,
Yes, A remote adapter can be used and i have done this in the past. If done right, it can be nice but in the car we placed it on, it was more of a pain at that time. If you plan to use an oil cooler, then the remote oil filter is about the only way you can do it. Sorry, I do not have the part number off hand.
-BMC.
I've seen wrecked 4X4 Chevy Blazers that had factory remote oil filters. Maybe only on the 4.3?? Anyways, they might be a cheap source to experiment with.
Just cross referenced this on one of our online locations and the 4.3L of say 1997 and all the 2.8L V6 motors both in S10s can use the same filter so the possibility that it may fit is good as long as it fits in the space allowed in the engine bay.
Now figure this out for us and we will start giving this as a part reference to those who are interested. The other issue is to find if the hoses actually do as you need. Usually hoses are the wrong size and angle. There is only one item that is Probably correct- the threaded fitting into the block.
-BMC.
One adapter I found is supposedly spec'ed to fit the 1992 3.1L V6 is the Hayden Oil Filter Housing HY291. The hoses leavethe take-off plate at a 90° angle. You supply the hoses.
This is the filter relocation kit that I bought from Summit Racing, but is not installed yet. The adapter is fastened to the engine and provides a clear shot past the header for the hoses.
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=TRD%2D1150&N=700+301916+0&autoview=sku
Wayne
Yes, the one from Summit is the one is commonly used.
The 4.3 is like the small block Chevy, the oil filter is vertical, thus having more space, the V6 3.4 and all others are mounted sideways as you see Michaels picture of his 3.4.
Critical point; ensure the lines, return, and feed are properly place between the filter and the cooler.
No real need for the oil cooler in the V6.
The AC Delco number for a shorter filter is PF 47. It fits well between the block and the frame rails on the B when the method described above is used. This filter is used as a stock replacement in late model W-Body cars (Impala Grand Prix Etc) using 3100, 3400, and 3800 engines. There may be more but that is all the exact info a have now.
Mounted mine on the side:
http://www.rc-tech.net/MGB/gal/done2.jpg
Cooler just behind valance:
http://www.rc-tech.net/cars/MGB/cooler.jpg
On my GT I had the oil filter behind the turn signal bolted to the bumper bracket, had a vent on the balance to coll brakes and the oil filter. It kept the filter cool.
Isn't an oil cooler overkill on the V6? Just wondering for my own swap.
Are you guys sure about not requiring a cooler? Look at Gary Walker's site and read the section on cooling engine conversions. He claims the cooler was necessary.
http://www.rc-tech.net/MGB/
I took a quick look at Gary's site, nice work. He didn't say how he was monitoring oil temp and I couldn't make out if one of the dash gauges was indeed an oil temp gauge, but from the number of gauges (3 small) which are usually water temp, oil pressure, and fuel level, I wouldn't think he did. Most guys that add oil coolers don't really know if they need them or not, Gary evidently had taken the time to make some measurments, but most guys just add one thinking it couldn't do any harm. Wrong, if your oil doesn't get warm enough to boil off excess moisture and gas residue then you can really reduce the life of your oil. I added a cooler on my Midget V6 conversion, but also added a gauge and an oil thermostat so I know that my oil is reaching the proper operating temps but not getting too hot. Even without a gauge, use a thermostat just to make sure your oil is operating in the correct temp range. I think that in most cases Bill G is correct, most MGB V6 conversions could run without a cooler wihtout problems.
Oh yeah, the Trans-dapt pieces are a good way to go to both mount a remote filter and or cooler and thermostat. You can get a plate for a cooler that mounts between the original filter and the block or as in the one shown completely bypass the original filter and make it a remote mount. I've used the Trans-dapt parts on several cars over the years and never had any problem with the quality of their parts.
Some people were asking how I ran the lines for the remote filter so I snapped a couple photos tonight:
