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Sep 04, 2010 04:42:14
cstrong45

Quote: "Democrats are entering the fall sprint to the midterm elections lacking a unifying message to address the lackluster economy, scrambling to come up with further job-creating remedies and out of time to show substantial results before voters go to the polls. "


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/04/us/politics/04dems.html?_r=1&hp

Quote: "President Obama, after a week consumed by foreign policy issues, will begin focusing publicly on the economy next week and on Wednesday plans to propose modest additional tax breaks, temporary and aimed at small business to promote hiring. [color=#FF0000]But it is not clear that he has the votes or the time in Congress to pass them[/color], with Republicans eager to deny Democrats any victories and endangered Democrats eager to get home within three to four weeks to campaign."


HUH? He has a majority in both houses, and doesnt have the votes?

A week on foreign policy, consumed? Did we get a serial processor as president? Even GWB jr could multitask. Its time for the American voter to wake up, the guy has had two years to get an economic act and message together and hes still dawdling along just throwing money at the problem. Unemployment is hovering at 10 percent.

Sep 04, 2010 05:40:25
don4975

Chuck,

The Dems are imploding and I have to say it brings me joy.

Who knew it would take an imbecile like Obie to right the ship George screwed up. And so fast.

Remember when people were upset the Obie took so much vacation.

Now everybody wants Obie on vacation so he doesn’t screw things up worse.

Obie…go on Vacation and stay on vacation and take your whale-tailed wife with you.

Note: I am not confident in the GOP. GOP will find a way to screw up the elections in November and even if they don’t, and take the house and senate they still have not learned their lessons.

The party of “No” should keep saying “No” to Obie and his socialist plans.

Last night at a party all the Dems now say they are independents…thats a good start.





Sep 04, 2010 08:25:13
Pat Bailey

It brings you joy?? If Obama fails we all fail just like we all failed when Bush failed Until we understand we are all in this together and get together and get things done we will continue to fail.............And you call yourself an American.

Sep 04, 2010 08:31:48
6863m

Pat, we want the Obama policies to fail to be implemented because they will cause Ameria to fail, can't you understand that thought process. You want Obama's policies to succeed because you seem to think they will help America. But we don't call you un American, just confused. Why would you support someone's policy when you know it will not logically work.

Sep 04, 2010 08:44:50
Pat Bailey

Don is the one who finds joy in it and we all know the reason,his attacks on Obama began before he did anything. I disagree that Obama's policies are bad for America we saw what your policies did didn't we? I know you and Chuck and some of the rest made out like bandits during the Bush years but the world doesn't revolve around you If we go back to the Bush economic policies then I predict we will have a civil war the haves Vs the have nots.

Sep 04, 2010 08:58:55
6863m

Pat stop wasting your time looking back that is done and over. Look to the future, with the Obama plan and theory. If that does not cause you pause then you must be blind. His policies will devastate us and our future. There is no question, he ran for the office of President based on that promise. He was going to change America. It boggles my mind that when you look at those plans you can't see where they end. When you take away all the fluff and feel good it is really pretty simple.

Debt $20 trillion
Unemployment norms 10%
Virtual third world status in the world.

Not much good happens after that.

Sep 04, 2010 09:14:23
cstrong45

Dick, Pat appears afraid the of the future, he can blame the past for the present and live with that. Its fear of the unknown he cant reconcile.

Where do I send the bill.?(tu)

Sep 04, 2010 15:37:01
wyatt

don4975 double dittos for the state of Mi...we are a financial and unemployment wreck...so what does the GOP do elects a moderate republican gov candidate to run for office and he almost chooses a dem speaker of the house as his running mate Lt Gov, then who else does he choose to join his teak...another dem...we are F%#@d big time it looks like. the man he did choose now vacates a set,so who do the district GoPrs choose to fill his seat.. a moderate woman from a long time political family...incestousness runs rampant in this state...total losers. The GOP in this state are milque toast wimps.

http://apps.detnews.com/apps/blogs/conventionblog/index.php

Sep 04, 2010 17:36:21
don4975

The truth is it really does not matter if the GOP take the house and senate.

If it's close, it's good.

We need two years of "do nothing" in govt.

This motley group only make things worse, never better.

Sep 04, 2010 17:42:43
6863m

Don, I think there is a faction of the party who are scared about winning the house. They have much more practice being the minority and there could be something to having a one vote minority. But the problem is Republicans don't do well on their platform causes and they fold like a house of cards in a tough vote. I am hoping for a significant victory and new legislation making change in a new direction.

Sep 04, 2010 18:05:47
don4975

Quote: "
Don, I think there is a faction of the party who are scared about winning the house. They have much more practice being the minority and there could be something to having a one vote minority. But the problem is Republicans don't do well on their platform causes and they fold like a house of cards in a tough vote. I am hoping for a significant victory and new legislation making change in a new direction."



I agree,

I'm hoping for gridlock till 2014, then reverse Obies damage.

We get gridlock if we win the house or come close.

Sorry to be so glum but GOP has no platform, or leader.

Sep 04, 2010 18:19:11
Pat Bailey

Quote: "I'm hoping for gridlock till 2014, then reverse Obies damage.
"


Gridlock like not helping small business? Gridlock like letting people starve? You Don are very selfish as is almost all repubs.

Sep 04, 2010 18:34:38
don4975

Quote: "
[quote]I'm hoping for gridlock till 2014, then reverse Obies damage.
"


Gridlock like not helping small business? Gridlock like letting people starve? You Don are very selfish as is almost all repubs.[/quote]

And u live in La La land.

Sep 04, 2010 18:54:39
slywelder

Quote: "
Don is the one who finds joy in it and we all know the reason,his attacks on Obama began before he did anything. I disagree that Obama's policies are bad for America we saw what your policies did didn't we? I know you and Chuck and some of the rest made out like bandits during the Bush years but the world doesn't revolve around you If we go back to the Bush economic policies then I predict we will have a civil war the haves Vs the have nots."
-----------------------------------They made alot of dough during the Clinton era,but thats something they dont want to talk about--------------------------------

Sep 04, 2010 19:02:36
slywelder

[quote=don4975]
Chuck,


Obie…go on Vacation and stay on vacation and take your whale-tailed wife with you.------------------------Do you realize what you sound like when you make statements like that? Is this sort of thing necesary? I would never support any type of talk about any first lady like this. Your suppose to be a smart guy,a savy buisnes person, im disapointed.

Sep 04, 2010 19:41:11
cstrong45

Quote: "
Don is the one who finds joy in it and we all know the reason,his attacks on Obama began before he did anything. I disagree that Obama's policies are bad for America we saw what your policies did didn't we? I know you and Chuck and some of the rest made out like bandits during the Bush years but the world doesn't revolve around you If we go back to the Bush economic policies then I predict we will have a civil war the haves Vs the have nots."


Under Bush I lost, I made out like a bandit under Clinton.

Sep 04, 2010 19:50:33
Pat Bailey

Then why would you want to go back to the Bush policies? The repubs have said they won't do anything but bring up investigations I wonder if they will investigate Bush/Cheney? Sure they will!!

Sep 04, 2010 22:20:03
cstrong45

Under Clinton, the Repubs had both houses...

Sep 05, 2010 09:20:30
Pat Bailey

Quote: "Your suppose to be a smart guy,a savy buisnes person, im disapointed."


SUPPOSED That's the word.You can tell from his posts that he is a racist plain and simple,if Obama wasn't black he probably wouldn't even post here. We all are guilty of helping him spread his hate by responding to him.

Sep 05, 2010 10:00:41
cstrong45

Quote: "
[quote]Your suppose to be a smart guy,a savy buisnes person, im disapointed."


SUPPOSED That's the word.You can tell from his posts that he is a racist plain and simple,if Obama wasn't black he probably wouldn't even post here. We all are guilty of helping him spread his hate by responding to him.[/quote]

Pat, its supposed to be a forum and an exchange of ideas, not a bunch of syncpants parrotting what the left says which in this case if it isnt total agreement then you are a rascist.

Well Pat, bigot fits alot of the things that you say and print.

Do lob rocks when you live in a glass house.

Sep 05, 2010 10:12:49
slywelder

Chuck,Lets cut the crap. I think Don is ok and when im down in DC id love to meet the guy,same for you. I believe we all are guilty of putting our foot in our mouth at one time or another. Im not going to make any judgements about whose a racist,whatever. My thing is you dont like Obama,thats is ones right,but leave his family out of it. I happen to respect his wife,her parents were working class people who obviously raised there kids the right way and it shows. Her parents should be role models and the Michelle Obama is a good decent person and young women should look up to her and not some of these other so called celebrites. Saying what was said about her is way out of line,thats the fact plain and simple no excuses needed

Sep 05, 2010 10:16:53
Pat Bailey

I guess [color=#FF0066]sycophants[/color]that parrot the right is OK with you,Chuck. If my disgust for the way corporate American and the repubs have treated us is bigoted in your mind so be it.

Sep 05, 2010 10:21:32
cstrong45

Quote: "
Chuck,Lets cut the crap. I think Don is ok and when im down in DC id love to meet the guy,same for you. I believe we all are guilty of putting our foot in our mouth at one time or another. Im not going to make any judgements about whose a racist,whatever. [color=#FF0000]My thing is you dont like Obama,thats is ones right,but leave his family out of it.[/color] I happen to respect his wife,her parents were working class people who obviously raised there kids the right way and it shows. Her parents should be role models and the Michelle Obama is a good decent person and young women should look up to her and not some of these other so called celebrites. Saying what was said about her is way out of line,thats the fact plain and simple no excuses needed"


Sorry but when Obama uses his wife and family then they become public game and Don exploited that. Obama used them, blame him.

Sep 05, 2010 11:37:13
Steve64B

Quote: "
HUH? He has a majority in both houses, and doesnt have the votes?

"


Chuck... it's the new math, you need 60 in the Senate or the Party of NO will filibuster it to oblivion.

As the article says, the Republicans will all NO victory, no matter how small or how much it might help business. And you guys keep insisting the Party of NO isn't correct!

Sep 05, 2010 12:05:04
6863m

Steve, it would seem that the filibuster is used on extreme policies as it should to modify and mainstream legislation. That is the design by the founders. During the previous Republican Senate majorities filibusters were not needed because they were not an extreme group and they had many moderates who would vote against the Republicans and with the Democrats. That is the difference here the legislation is so extreme and with no compromises that filibuster is the only tool for the minority.

Sep 05, 2010 12:23:49
Steve64B

Richard... so you think "the filibuster is used on extreme policies" and this belief would be based on what factual foundation? Maybe you'll explain the significance of this chart

http://newsjunkiepost.com/2010/03/02/republican-obstruction-at-work-record-number-of-filibusters/

The Party of NO... why do you think they're called that.

Sep 05, 2010 12:33:30
6863m

Only you would think in August of 2010 that the policies of Obama, Reid and Pelosi are not extreme. I don't have to prove anything. To try to make people think that the Obama policies are mainstream is the classic definition of Political Hack. Your graph tells the story pretty well.

You are interrupting my Professional Womans Basketball game where Seattle is going to knock Pheonix out of the play offs.

Sep 05, 2010 12:51:49
Steve64B

Quote: "
Only you would think in August of 2010 that the policies of Obama, Reid and Pelosi are not extreme. I don't have to prove anything. To try to make people think that the Obama policies are mainstream is the classic definition of Political Hack. Your graph tells the story pretty well.

You are interrupting my Professional Womans Basketball game where Seattle is going to knock Pheonix out of the play offs."


Richard... It's not that you have to prove something... it's that you can't prove anything!

The Times said the Republicans wouldn't allow the Democrats a win on any issue, even one that was good for business.

It's not about extreme policy... it's about saying NO to Any policy put forward by Democrats. The chart backs it up, Republican have used the filibutser almost twice as often as in any period in the past. That is the very definition of obstructionism and it's why the Republicans have Earned the title; The Party of NO.

Sep 05, 2010 13:00:14
cstrong45

Quote: "
[quote=6863m]
Only you would think in August of 2010 that the policies of Obama, Reid and Pelosi are not extreme. I don't have to prove anything. To try to make people think that the Obama policies are mainstream is the classic definition of Political Hack. Your graph tells the story pretty well.

You are interrupting my Professional Womans Basketball game where Seattle is going to knock Pheonix out of the play offs."


Richard... It's not that you have to prove something... it's that you can't prove anything!

[color=#66FF00]The Times said the Republicans wouldn't allow the Democrats a win on any issue, even one that was good for business.[/color]

It's not about extreme policy... it's about saying NO to Any policy put forward by Democrats. The chart backs it up, Republican have used the filibutser almost twice as often as in any period in the past. That is the very definition of obstructionism and it's why the Republicans have Earned the title; The Party of NO.[/quote]

[color=#FF0000]President Obama, after a week consumed by foreign policy issues, will begin focusing publicly on the economy next week and on Wednesday plans to propose modest additional tax breaks, temporary and aimed at small business to promote hiring. But it is not clear that he has the votes or the time in Congress to pass them, with Republicans eager to deny Democrats any victories and endangered Democrats eager to get home within three to four weeks to campaign.[/color]

Steve, the democrats have the majority in boht houses of congress and pooor old Obama cannot get the votes? You need to find some democrates to vote with the President or is the piggy bank empty?

Sep 05, 2010 13:15:31
Pat Bailey

Maybe it's the teabaggers and the repub base that is extreme and the repubs are afraid of them so they won't vote on anything that would jeopardize them.............Too bad when you let a minority run things. We will see just how bad it will get ,won't we?

Sep 05, 2010 14:55:39
cstrong45

Pat count um up, there is majority of dems in both houses, count um up and total all the pubs and teabags and the dems still have more....

Sep 05, 2010 18:38:39
slywelder

[quote=cstrong

Sorry but when Obama uses his wife and family then they become public game and Don exploited that. Obama used them, blame him.[/quote--------------Thats a bunch of bull,and you know it. I thought we were as a group trying to get past this type of thing,but i see not much is changing. You both wonder why a guy like Pat says the stuff he does? Well wonder no more. Lets see Obama is a commie,a hitler hates white people,a muslim who supports terrorists,has no use for the military and now lets talk trash about his wife. You guys are pathic,what a disgrace

Sep 05, 2010 18:45:26
6863m

Steve Y, in todays news the White House is trying to figure out how to use Michelle Obama in the current election cycle. She complicated that plan by her stupid Spain vacation so they are holding her out right now because people are pissed at them for flaunting in Europe. But they are going to use her as a campaign asset then I can't understand why you would say she is not fair game for comment and fault when she says anything wrong or controversial.

If they put her out there she better not be wearing bad fitting clothes and $600 tennis shoes. They will also only let her read a script or not allow the press into the meeting or fund raiser. Even David Axlerod does not agree with you.

I also did not see your comment on the pictures of Sara Palin on another thread by Eric.

Sep 05, 2010 18:50:03
don4975

Quote: "
[quote=cstrong

Sorry but when Obama uses his wife and family then they become public game and Don exploited that. Obama used them, blame him.[/quote--------------Thats a bunch of bull,and you know it. I thought we were as a group trying to get past this type of thing,but i see not much is changing. You both wonder why a guy like Pat says the stuff he does? Well wonder no more. Lets see Obama is a commie,a hitler hates white people,a muslim who supports terrorists,has no use for the military and now lets talk trash about his wife. You guys are pathic,what a disgrace"


Sly so sensative. Obies wifes tells everyone that they are fat yet her arse is huge!

You can't use the word "pathic" here anymore. Skye does not like that word.

Sep 05, 2010 18:58:39
slywelder

Your right im to sensitive.

Sep 05, 2010 21:06:55
don4975

Quote: "
Your right im to sensitive."


OK...sorry to piss you off so much. Really was not meant to be.

Sep 06, 2010 00:11:00
Steve64B

Quote: "
Sorry but when Obama uses his wife and family then they become public game and Don exploited that. Obama used them, blame him."


Chuck... weren’t you on the David Letterman is scum for doing jokes about the knocked up Palin daughter issue?

Or is it just OK to attack the wife and children when it's a Democrat?

Still blind in that right eye!

Sep 06, 2010 08:04:01
cstrong45

No, I think Letterman is a scum bag on general principals.

Sep 06, 2010 08:39:18
6863m

I don't follow the comparison, of adults and children seems a reach.

Sep 06, 2010 19:57:03
Steve64B

Quote: "
No, I think Letterman is a scum bag on general principals."


Nice non answer, if I remember correctly you were Outraged that latterman would bring the child of a politician into the public discourse.

Thank once again for proving that your capacity for a double standard is limitless, and your courage for defending it is restricted.

Good man.

Sep 06, 2010 21:07:17
cstrong45

Quote: "
[quote=cstrong45]
No, I think Letterman is a scum bag on general principals."


Nice non answer, if I remember correctly you were Outraged that latterman would bring the child of a politician into the public discourse.

Thank once again for proving that your capacity for a double standard is limitless, and your courage for defending it is restricted.

Good man.[/quote]

I suggest you pull up the quote. I think your memory doesnt serve you well.

Just for the record, Letterman brought up Palin for the same reasons you put your slanderous pictures on this web site.

Sep 07, 2010 10:13:19
Steve64B

Quote: "
[quote=Steve64B]
[quote=cstrong45]
No, I think Letterman is a scum bag on general principals."


Nice non answer, if I remember correctly you were Outraged that latterman would bring the child of a politician into the public discourse.

Thank once again for proving that your capacity for a double standard is limitless, and your courage for defending it is restricted.

Good man.[/quote]

I suggest you pull up the quote. I think your memory doesnt serve you well.

Just for the record, Letterman brought up Palin for the same reasons you put your slanderous pictures on this web site.[/quote]

Well, that's an interesting non-denial. Are you denying that you made any posts about what a scumbag Letterman was for doing jokes about the Palin kid?

You don't need to create a diversion by bringing me into the conversation; just answer the question: Are you denying that you made any posts about Letterman and the Palin kid?

Sep 08, 2010 07:54:59
cstrong45

Quote: "
[quote=cstrong45]
[quote=Steve64B]
[quote=cstrong45]
No, I think Letterman is a scum bag on general principals."


Nice non answer, if I remember correctly you were Outraged that latterman would bring the child of a politician into the public discourse.

Thank once again for proving that your capacity for a double standard is limitless, and your courage for defending it is restricted.

Good man.[/quote]

I suggest you pull up the quote. I think your memory doesnt serve you well.

Just for the record, Letterman brought up Palin for the same reasons you put your slanderous pictures on this web site.[/quote]

Well, that's an interesting non-denial. Are you denying that you made any posts about what a scumbag Letterman was for doing jokes about the Palin kid?

You don't need to create a diversion by bringing me into the conversation; just answer the question: Are you denying that you made any posts about Letterman and the Palin kid?[/quote]

Im telling you to bring up the quote, Im thinking I dont remember so well under Obama no Care, my mental facilties are slipping.

Sep 08, 2010 08:23:21
Steve64B

Quote: "
[quote=Steve64B]
[quote=cstrong45]
[quote=Steve64B]
[quote=cstrong45]
No, I think Letterman is a scum bag on general principals."


Nice non answer, if I remember correctly you were Outraged that latterman would bring the child of a politician into the public discourse.

Thank once again for proving that your capacity for a double standard is limitless, and your courage for defending it is restricted.

Good man.[/quote]

I suggest you pull up the quote. I think your memory doesnt serve you well.

Just for the record, Letterman brought up Palin for the same reasons you put your slanderous pictures on this web site.[/quote]

Well, that's an interesting non-denial. Are you denying that you made any posts about what a scumbag Letterman was for doing jokes about the Palin kid?

You don't need to create a diversion by bringing me into the conversation; just answer the question: Are you denying that you made any posts about Letterman and the Palin kid?[/quote]

Im telling you to bring up the quote, Im thinking I dont remember so well under Obama no Care, my mental facilties are slipping.[/quote]

Nice work Boss Chuck! is this another difference between Conservatives and Liberals. Conservatives never practice what they preach... Liberals don't try preaching!

http://www.mgexperience.net/phorum/read.php?47,1144210,1144352#msg-1144352

Sep 08, 2010 08:28:43
cstrong45

Quote: "
[quote=cstrong45]
[quote=Steve64B]
[quote=cstrong45]
[quote=Steve64B]
[quote=cstrong45]
No, I think Letterman is a scum bag on general principals."


Nice non answer, if I remember correctly you were Outraged that latterman would bring the child of a politician into the public discourse.

Thank once again for proving that your capacity for a double standard is limitless, and your courage for defending it is restricted.

Good man.[/quote]

Hey good work, I wasnt going to do it for you, but it falls short of the mark. YOu do recognize the difference in my mind is Letterman fired the first volley at Sarah Palin.

PS Letterman's remarks are the exact reason he never took over for the true kind of late nite, Johnny Carson.

I suggest you pull up the quote. I think your memory doesnt serve you well.

Just for the record, Letterman brought up Palin for the same reasons you put your slanderous pictures on this web site.[/quote]

Well, that's an interesting non-denial. Are you denying that you made any posts about what a scumbag Letterman was for doing jokes about the Palin kid?

You don't need to create a diversion by bringing me into the conversation; just answer the question: Are you denying that you made any posts about Letterman and the Palin kid?[/quote]

Im telling you to bring up the quote, Im thinking I dont remember so well under Obama no Care, my mental facilties are slipping.[/quote]

Nice work Boss Chuck! is this another difference between Conservatives and Liberals. Conservatives never practice what they preach... Liberals don't try preaching!

http://www.mgexperience.net/phorum/read.php?47,1144210,1144352#msg-1144352[/quote]

Sep 08, 2010 08:40:24
Steve64B

Quote: "
Just for the record, Letterman brought up Palin for the same reasons you put your slanderous pictures on this web site."


I let this slip the first time... but what slanderous pictures are you talking about?

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