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Oct 23, 2007 09:11:20
MarkJ

Jet Hot says it increases horsepower and reduces header temperature. The local powder coating shop says crystals and flaking can be a problem and doesn't recommend it. Should I pay the extra price and go with Jet Hot or is the local shop correct.

Oct 23, 2007 12:40:22
Bandit Racing

Go with Jet Hots idea. If you don't coat you will get internal rusting if your car sits and it too will flake. Albeit very slowly. Coat and they will last a long time. My biggest problem to date is tube cracking just below the flange. I run a very hot 1400 degree EGT with a very lean mixture. My headers are made by Kirk and non coated. I think the coating would have stopped this. They have served me well for the last nine or so years though.





Oct 23, 2007 17:49:23
Basil Adams

Bandit Racing Wrote:

Quote: "
Go with Jet Hots idea. If you don't coat you will get internal rusting if your car sits and it too will flake. Albeit very slowly. Coat and they will last a long time. My biggest problem to date is tube cracking just below the flange. I run a very hot 1400 degree EGT with a very lean mixture. My headers are made by Kirk and non coated. I think the coating would have stopped this. They have served me well for the last nine or so years though.
"


You don't powder coat the inside of headers - they're coated with a high-heat ceramic. Powder coats melt at 350 degrees. The ceramic is closer to 1800 degrees. In addition to Jet Hot (which I understand is a franchise set-up and there are good ones and bad ones, try High Performance Coatings (www.hpcoatings.comm) They do most of the NASCAR stuff and I;'ve been very pleased with their work.

Oct 23, 2007 19:18:59
skippymga

Your money would be better spent on a trick carb, flowed head, race exhaust system and a set of r compound tires. Lighter flywheel, gear set for bottom end...
my 2 cents. Nice B.

s

Oct 23, 2007 19:41:54
Hound Dawg Racing

Not to mention, it's a pain in the butt to do repairs if your headers are ceramic coated. Mine are Jett Hott coated. From what I understand, in order to do any repairs both inside and outside need to be ground down in order for a weld to adhere.

Oct 23, 2007 21:09:20
Basil Adams

Actually, repairs are one of the reasons I stick with HPC. When you ding one up they pressurise them with nitrogen, heat the dinged area to pop them out and re-coat them. A very trick process :)

Oct 24, 2007 08:48:53
Hound Dawg Racing

Very interesting Basil. The collector on my header looks like a pancake for last year at Buttonwillow. I really need to go with a through-tunnell but can't afford to go that route right now. I was just thinking of taking off the damaged part and having a new collector welded on.

Oct 24, 2007 10:02:42
Basil Adams

If you do a new collector, why not make it a slip-on rather than a weld on?

Oct 24, 2007 10:10:47
Hound Dawg Racing

It's actually a little further up than the collector but was at a lack for better terms. It was flattened when I bought the car but really pancaked the area when I cut a rumble strip at Buttonwillow

Oct 24, 2007 13:35:19
Basil Adams

PM sent :)

Oct 25, 2007 06:13:57
MarkJ

Thanks for the info guys. The local shop indeed does ceramic coating. Hap, I'll check out High Performance coatings. Thanks.
Mark

Oct 25, 2007 07:38:41
Speedracer

MarkJ Wrote:

Quote: "
Thanks for the info guys. The local shop indeed does ceramic coating. Hap, I'll check out High Performance coatings. Thanks.
Mark
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That was Basil recommendation, but (ok are you sitting down :) ) I agree with him 100% on ceramic coatings.

Oct 25, 2007 14:00:54
MarkJ

Oh, sorry, I'm trying to read to quickly here. Thanks for the input Basil. So that makes two of us that agree with you, me and Hap.

Actually the headers are V8 headers going on my 3.9L Rover swap into a 1977 MGB. I already have the headers, I just want to make them look nice and keep them from rusting for a few years. I liked the claim by Jet Hot that their coating reduces header temperatures. They actually have some pretty convincing data. And if it prolongs the life of the headers then I get two for one.

But, the guy at the local shop scared me with the crystallization and flacking when applied to the inside of the header comments so I thought I should ask the experts. (that would be you guys).

Thanks,
Mark

Oct 25, 2007 16:10:07
Basil Adams

Rust comes from condensation inside the header. Coating the inside will be a rust preventative.

Oct 26, 2007 09:01:47
twentyover

Basil Adams Wrote:

Quote: "
Rust comes from condensation inside the header, grasshopper. Coating the inside will be a rust preventative, and harmony and peace will prevail. Fung shei of the engine compartment is restored
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Fixed it for you....

Oct 26, 2007 10:58:28
Basil Adams

Thank you, grasshopper.

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