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Sep 08, 2010 21:00:08
ChuckinOmaha

In the process of replacing my shocks, noticed the rear drums were oily. Suspecting the brake cylinders were leaking, I pulled the hubs to find they (the brake cylinders) were dry. Instead it looks like the axle seals are leaking. What kind of a job am I looking at in order to fix?

And by the way, missing the knock-off wrench and whacking oneself on the knee does not make for a happy afternoon (drinking was NOT involved)

Sep 08, 2010 21:01:30
BeanMakesPower

Its just some axle seals. Gotta pull the chunk, and pull the axles. should take more than an hour and a half with a slide hammer. 2 hours with chains or rope.





Sep 08, 2010 21:22:35
rrmgb

Piece of cake! Remove the hubs, pull out old seal, install new.
No need to remove anything else.
RS

Sep 08, 2010 23:58:47
BeanMakesPower

Quote: "
Piece of cake! Remove the hubs, pull out old seal, install new.
No need to remove anything else.
RS"



Hm. Must be easier on an MG then. Normally, you pull the chunk adn pull the alxes out and pull the seals off the inside of the housing, and install new ones. the oil seals on a zuk are one piece so the axle has to be completely removed.

Sep 09, 2010 05:37:39
Speedracer

Well, alittle more to it, but you don't have to pull axles, you got to get the brakes and backing plate out of the way, the bolts that retain the backing plate to the axle housing also retains the the seal housing, which is directly behind the backing plate, so the brakes and backing plate have to be removed to access the seal housing, a couple taps with a dead blow hammer to get seal housing rotating and loosening up to come off, R&R the seal, put it back together. Depending on how quick you work, fiquire 30-45 minutes per side.

Sep 09, 2010 06:30:36
kwinzee

I just did my '76. All I did was remove the drum, remove the hub (after finding the right size socket for that damn nut), remove the seal, clean, install new seal and put the hub back on. Unless your '76 is different from mine, that's all you should have to do, 15 min. per side. Oh yea, put lub in pumpkin when done, probably down some.

Sep 09, 2010 06:34:05
canuck

I can see that the bean man is speaking with his usual experience (none). Follow Haps advice. The toughest part is getting the nut off the axle. An impact wrench is really important with this one. BMC used a special tool to keep things from turning when retorqueing the nut. You can make this out of a piece of angle iron, and use the foor to jam it. If you do not have a big torque wrench, mark the nut and housing with a scrib, and crank it back to there plus another 1/4 turn. (german torque wrench). The torque is 150 lbs.
good luck

Sep 09, 2010 06:35:09
planecrazydale

Quote: "
I just did my '76. All I did was remove the drum, remove the hub (after finding the right size socket for that damn nut), remove the seal, clean, install new seal and put the hub back on. Unless your '76 is different from mine, that's all you should have to do, 15 min. per side. Oh yea, put lub in pumpkin when done, probably down some."


X2 (on my 74.)

I also had a gear puller handy which easily took off the hub and saved me a few minutes.

Sep 09, 2010 07:05:45
tbarker7815

Quote: "
Well, alittle more to it, but you don't have to pull axles, you got to get the brakes and backing plate out of the way, the bolts that retain the backing plate to the axle housing also retains the the seal housing, which is directly behind the backing plate, so the brakes and backing plate have to be removed to access the seal housing, a couple taps with a dead blow hammer to get seal housing rotating and loosening up to come off, R&R the seal, put it back together. Depending on how quick you work, fiquire 30-45 minutes per side."


Would that apply to a 79 also?
Anyone know axle nut size?

Sep 09, 2010 09:46:11
ChuckinOmaha

Thanks guys. A couple of follow-up questions:

1. Wire wheels on the car. Does that make any difference in the process?

2. Guess I'm not the gear-head I thought. What's a "pumpkin" ... uh.. Yeah, I know what a "PUMPKIN" is but what's a pumpkin?

Oh yeah. Wouldn't this also be the time to replace the thrust washers in the rear end?

Sep 09, 2010 11:33:57
Mr. Barry

When I did my '74 roadster axles, I did it just like Kwinzee...With no experience on them, it took about 20 minutes per side....

Sep 09, 2010 12:43:03
mac townsend

1, No, The pieces just look different

2. differential

3. No. Replacing seals is quick and easy. Almost takes longer to jack the car up. Getting into the diff itself is a considerably bigger job. Almost like the difference between changing a head and changing the engine. <G>

Quote: "
Thanks guys. A couple of follow-up questions:

1. Wire wheels on the car. Does that make any difference in the process?

2. Guess I'm not the gear-head I thought. What's a "pumpkin" ... uh.. Yeah, I know what a "PUMPKIN" is but what's a pumpkin?

Oh yeah. Wouldn't this also be the time to replace the thrust washers in the rear end?"

Sep 09, 2010 14:07:20
melbaver

The pumpkin is the housing for the diff and is where you'll find the thrust washers that you identify as being in the rear end.

Sep 09, 2010 17:14:04
kwinzee

I believe the nut is 1-3/8" or 34mm

Sep 09, 2010 19:11:17
ClayJ

Chuck as noted above, easy job, nothing to do with pumkin.

Try to loosen the axle nuts with the wheels on the ground, may need a cheater pipe, unless you have an air impact wrench.

You may have to get a loaner gear puller at Autozone, etc, if the hub won't part from the axle. A deadblow hammer can help.

Sep 10, 2010 06:03:09
Speedracer

Quote: "
[quote=Speedracer]
Well, alittle more to it, but you don't have to pull axles, you got to get the brakes and backing plate out of the way, the bolts that retain the backing plate to the axle housing also retains the the seal housing, which is directly behind the backing plate, so the brakes and backing plate have to be removed to access the seal housing, a couple taps with a dead blow hammer to get seal housing rotating and loosening up to come off, R&R the seal, put it back together. Depending on how quick you work, fiquire 30-45 minutes per side."


Would that apply to a 79 also?
Anyone know axle nut size?[/quote]

Yep, everyhting from 1968 on has the tube axle housing and all the GT regardless of year model (could be as early as 66 or 67) have tube axle housings. I just rebuilt a hybrid racing rear end last week, which use the axles and hubs from a tube axle housing, if I'm not mistaken I think the nut is 1 1/4" to remove the hubs. What I did as for a tool to pull the tube axle housing axle is I have a slide hammer and I just got a nut the same size as the axle and a nut the same size as the threaded portion of the slide hammer, welded the two together and that gave me a adapter to use the slide hammer to pull the axles.

Sep 10, 2010 06:16:14
canuck

I bought the BFW for this job. The size is 1 5/16. Sears was the only place to find it. Suitable for intruders and burglers also.

Sep 10, 2010 10:03:35
kwinzee

The nut on my 76 is definitely 34mm which equates to 1-3/8" FWIW

Sep 10, 2010 10:11:17
Mr. Barry

Hmmmm...When I did my '74 roadster, I'm sure it was 1 5/16, which I bought when working on the engine...I don't own a 1 3/8....I wonder if there were different sizes for different year axles?

Sep 10, 2010 14:06:05
kwinzee

Could be Edward. I was just in the garage when I last posted and checked the one that I had to buy in order to do the job, 34mm.

Sep 10, 2010 17:05:55
canuck

Ron;
See the pic of my BFW. Unless craftsman stamped it wrong it is 1 5/16. You Canuckienns with your forced metrification. I know it was forced upon you all by the Pink Emperor El Duche Trudeau, so you are forgiven.

Sep 10, 2010 18:46:49
kwinzee

So, what's a 1/16 amongst friends? lol.

Sep 10, 2010 21:59:16
29desoto

Hang onto the 1 5/16ths, I just bought a socket that size from NAPA to remove the crankshaft pully. Only place I could find it in this burg, and it cost $13.95.

Thought about returning it, but I would be embarassed. I don't play poker well either.

Sep 11, 2010 08:56:09
Mr. Barry

Quote: "
Hang onto the 1 5/16ths, I just bought a socket that size from NAPA to remove the crankshaft pully. Only place I could find it in this burg, and it cost $13.95.

Thought about returning it, but I would be embarassed. I don't play poker well either."


Yeah, don't return it , the rear trans nut is 1 5/16, and the axle nuts too...
I also use it when I am adjusting the rockers...Put a double length extension on my 1/2" ratchet, and turn the engine that way....really easy...Main thing is DON'T FORGET IT"S THERE , or could be the end of the engine! Oh, and watch out for flying tools , also.

Sep 15, 2010 13:49:37
SSmiles

Can you provide any help/info for a 1964 (titled as a 65)? I also now have a leaky rear axle seal. I am assuming I should go ahead and replace both at the same time.

Sep 15, 2010 16:31:28
CapnRog

I just replaced the seals on my '73. Auto Zone rents metric sockets (actually there is no charge just a deposit). I used a 34MM and a 5 foot piece of 1 1/2 galvanized pipe for leverage. I think the front of the car came off the ground a little when I leaned on it, but the nuts broke loose when I put my 200+# body weight on the pipe :-). Lube up the new seals in ATF for a few minutes before inserting with a block of wood and hammer.
Voila!

Sep 15, 2010 20:30:36
Mr. Barry

Quote: "
Can you provide any help/info for a 1964 (titled as a 65)? I also now have a leaky rear axle seal. I am assuming I should go ahead and replace both at the same time."


I'll be the first to admit that I don't have a real clue about a '65, but looking at the Moss catalogue, if you have the "banjo" axle, I would say , the whole axle has to come out, because the seal is behind the bearing, whereas on the solid axle, the seal is on the outside of the bearing...At least that's the way it looks in the diagram...
You might have to start another thread to know for sure.

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