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Feb 01, 2012 15:58:17
tlkolrod

Pulled the head for gasket issue but now I want to clean all the head stud threads(top and bottom)
Whats the favorite way to remove and replace the studs? I always used the double nut method but maybe there is new tecnology!!!! When replacing the studs how does one know when they are tight? Is there a torque spec for studs?

Not real happy with a blown head gasket. It was over 60 here in PA today and my midget is sick!!!

Grumpy as usual
Toby

Feb 01, 2012 17:42:42
tlkolrod

While anyone is reading along here hows about some information on SEALING the head studs back in.
Lock tite, silicone, permatex of some sort, anything????





Feb 01, 2012 18:01:07
refisk

Stud installation....

http://www.mgexperience.net/phorum/read.php?3,1716414,1716414#msg-1716414

Feb 01, 2012 18:27:02
Billm

As Rick's site says- just run the studs down, no torque required.
I used to double-nut to get them out but just got a stud remover from Harbor Freight and now they come out much quicker.
Obviously it is REQUIRED AND IMPORTANT to clean all of the stud threads when they are out!! and it is good to lube them (I use some grease) when you put them back together.
BillM

Feb 02, 2012 04:59:00
Speedracer

Google "studs sockets" you find they are relatively cheap set of stud sockets out there, the set I had for 20+ years come with 4 stud sockets, 1/4, 5/16, 3/8, and 7/16, cost uner $20 bucks when I bought mine, a real nice tool to have for LBC engine, always make sure with a stud socket you get them down on the unthreaded shoulders, otherwise you flatten out the threads, rendering the stud useless.

Feb 02, 2012 12:49:42
mjamgb

Clean them real well and resist using a cheap tap or die to clean the threads as they tend to remove meat in the wrong places. Get actual thread chasers or solvent/lightly blast.

The studs should not require any sealant but it has been suggested by many sources that putting a little permatex gasket sealant on the studs that go into the water jacket is a good idea. I put a drop or three of motor oil on the studs in the blind holes.

Anything ought to work since the bottom end of the studs are supposed to be screwed all the way into the block and are not *supposed* to turn while you torque the nuts (so a coating *shouldn't* affect the torque value). If they don't go in by hand (no tool) you have a boogered thread somewhere and should rectify it.

Feb 02, 2012 13:01:06
hpmowog

Quote: "

The studs should not require any sealant but it has been suggested by many sources that putting a little permatex gasket sealant on the studs that go into the water jacket is a good idea. I put a drop or three of motor oil on the studs in the blind holes.

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This is good advice for a 1275, but for a 948, sealant is required on 4 (or maybe 5....I forget) of the studs as the holes go all the way into the water jacket.

Feb 02, 2012 13:28:53
kirks-auto

I believe anti sieze would be better than oil. Does coolant actually weep up a stud in the jacket?

Feb 02, 2012 13:32:08
mjamgb

Agreed and yes. But you have a gasket so it doesn't go anywhere troubling, just makes a mess and makes the stud much harder to get out for a rebuild.

Feb 02, 2012 17:33:51
tlkolrod

So its like going to to different doctors....they never agree !!
Do we seal head studs or not? Hey HAP are you listening? As a racer and a professional engine rebuilder.....Do YOU seal head studs into the block when you build an engine for a customer?
Any confidential answers can be PMed to me to protect the inocent.

Studless in PA
Toby

Feb 02, 2012 18:09:26
refisk

Hap's answers are in the thread I mentioned in post #3. :)

Rick

Feb 02, 2012 21:10:43
tlkolrod

OK GOT IT NOW

THX
TOBY

Feb 03, 2012 00:04:39
prop46

Arp makes a special lube that comes with there hardware

You can use 30w motor oil but it gets a differant torque spec... Which comes in the instal instruction

Snug is finger tight

The ARP hardware has to be broken in aka stretched... This is done be torqueing the hardware to spec 3 times


Prop

Feb 03, 2012 03:39:56
Speedracer

Quote: "


The ARP hardware has to be broken in aka stretched... This is done be torqueing the hardware to spec 3 times


Prop
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Thats only for the rod bolts.

Feb 03, 2012 03:50:51
Speedracer

Quote: "
So its like going to to different doctors....they never agree !!
Do we seal head studs or not? Hey HAP are you listening? As a racer and a professional engine rebuilder.....Do YOU seal head studs into the block when you build an engine for a customer?
Any confidential answers can be PMed to me to protect the inocent.

Studless in PA
Toby
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No sealing on head studs, there's nothing you would be trying to seal, just blind threads, a high torque stud/nut/bolt should always be lubed, like I mentioned I always use 30wt oil on the course thread end going into the block, pretty common practice by engine builders in the know, and then the ARP lube on the top side nut end of stud. Follow the sequence in the manual, which is always on all cars, inside to outward, I start at say 25-30 ft lbs, then go to 40, then to full torque. All my engines get ARP head studs, rod bolt and flywheel bolts, I can't remember when was the last time I din't use ARP in these three locations. The one big piece of advice I would give one, is either use the old OEM stuff, if in good shape, and if you don't want to spring for ARP, I big time avoid the repalcment studs, nuts and washers the vendors sell, esspecailly the flat washers are garbage, not hard enough, the compress under this sort of torque, not a good thing for head falt washer, and the studs have been known to snap at full torque. ARP is well worth the investment.

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