this should do it !

Pretty simple explanation of things. Can't imagine anyone arguing with it, or denying the circumstances that we are in now.

A three minute film clip:

http://www.wimp.com/thegovernment/

Jack

Jack, that was very good. I would like them to force Nancy Pelosi to watch it. The method she is using to run the House is negating the Republic part of the process. She has decided that her side has won therefore she is blocking the other side using rules.

I would like for the Demcratic Party in the House to go back to the rules inposed in 1994 by the House Republicans. It was better for bi partisan agreements.

A good film and explanation, Jack. My only comment would be that as practiced, neither oligarchies or Republics end up being absolutes.

Individually we are obviously flawed Bob, and collectively we remain flawed, but if we all paddle in the same direction the boat will land somewhere near the target dock.

The problems come about when someone drops a load of hornets into the boat and one or two folks take advantage of the confusion.

Moral: Kill the hornets quickly and then stare down the power hungry folks.

Jack

Amen, Jack. Where I lived in Idaho for almost 30 yrs came as close to a true oligarchy as I have ever lived under, and even tho they had their "token" opposition in the state legislature and in local government, there was never enough strength in that opposition to effectively have any effect on the tiller. After living under that sort of regime for that long, one could begin to appreciate the benefits of a republic under the law that limited the power of entrenched persons and ideas whose primary function seemed to be to consolidate their power without having to consider other factors of governance. Definitely a study in the effects of partisan politics and governance if left unchallenged. "Democracy" or Republic, it has been so in name only, and if true, it has been due more to a triumph of the will than of the law.

Someone posted this clip a few days back. It's informative but overly simplistic.

auctionwatch Wrote:

It might be simiplistic but it is accurate and would be enlightening to many.

I was thinking about the vote today on the 1100 page stimulus plan written by a handfull of Staffers working for a few of the Democratic leaders of the house and Senate.

We know today that "0" congressmen and Senators have read the entire document and "0" know what is in the bill. Yet they are being pressured by the Leaders of the Party to vote blind and accept whatever is in the bill on our behalf.

Then I apply that to what the video describes and that my friends is scary.

Thanks Jack for posting that! It makes me feel so much better now that we've gotten rid of Bush and his Neo-Con Oligarchy and let Mr Obama return us to our rightful Republic! :D

Thanks Jack for posting that! It makes me feel so much better now that we've gotten rid of Bush and his Neo-Con Oligarchy and let Mr Obama return us to our rightful Republic!

Now that's funny, I don't care who you are.....

John, you must be viewing this from a different planet than I am on. I would guess you are not listening to his statements and speeches coupled with his two henchmen Reid and Pelosi.

Richard,

I think you overlooked a smiley face.

There's more than one reason he could have posted a smiley face. :)

I keep telling you, Richard, you'd find Nirvana in Idaho. ;)

...Hey BobM... it's really in Indiana..........

http://indiana.hometownlocator.com/in/st.-joseph/wyatt.cfm

http://indiana.hometownlocator.com/in/white/wolcott.cfm

We know today that "0" congressmen and Senators have read the entire document and "0" know what is in the bill. Yet they are being pressured by the Leaders of the Party to vote blind and accept whatever is in the bill on our behalf.


Standard fare these days I guess. Wasn't that the same way the Patriot Act went through?

John Moore,
I want some of the stuff you're smoking! I know you have a lot of contacts from your days in the music industry. :)

auctionwatch Wrote:

Watching it again, I see more errors. At the beginning, the video (unintentionally?) associates total government with the "left" end of the spectrum. This is massively misleading; whilst there are certainly plenty of authoritarian forms of government linked with economically left ideologies, total government is patently not the exclusive realm of the left.

With this note I give up. I will post here again, but I shall no longer try to reason with stones or stumps.

The same folks are again asking the "what is 'is'" question, and it has become obvious to me that they have no desire or capability to debate or reason with anyone other than those of their own stripe.

With all due and civilized respect to you guys, all I was doing was posting what is clearly just a simple explanation of the differences in governing systems. Certainly it is flawed, but how else would you have demonstrated the differences?

I realize now that had I posted the entire text of some thick volume on conservative thought you would have done the same. Had I posted even a short article from Buckley you would have done the same. Had I posted ANYTHING that didn't coincide with your very narrow Leftist ideology you would have done the same. You win. End of story. I will quit trying to reason with you because it is simply impossible to exchange ideas without being pummeled by your primeval weapons of sticks and stones. I am simply tired of wasting my breath.

Now that you have tried to pick my post apart though, I feel compelled to point out that I have seen such reaction innumerable times in my life and that without exception it has come from overly educated, agenda driven, leftist ideologues who simply cannot stop themselves from finding a way, any way, to get out of the corner in which they find themselves, or from illiterate and unthinking fools who have swallowed too much Kool-Aid after being mesmerized by a lie. Cats fighting for their lives, rats running to and fro on a beam, birds frightened out of their wits, hallucinations in the minds of deranged folks, all are within the vision that I have of you.

To you, simple and clear descriptions of a given circumstance are not enough when there is yet one more word or one more grey cell not fired, that could have even the most remote possibility of deflecting the truth. From my perspective it is sad because in your victory you have demonstrated that truth and clear thinking does NOT always prevail. In it's passage the legislation in question proves that fact.

I am certain that some how some way someone here on the left is going to attempt to justify the simple and clear fact that this law was passed "without it being read". Do you not understand that this in itself is criminal malfeasance on the part of the lawmakers who voted for it? Do you not understand, that the complete rejection on the part of the majority party of any debate is tantamount to totalitarianism?

Not withstanding the rightness or wrongness of the law itself, the fact is that the law was passed by people who do not or will not govern within the spirit of any level of decency. They have no shame and they have no honor. They are a pack of vagrant dogs lead by the scent of power and the promise of fresh meat that they can drag home and trade for more power.

The validity of the law itself may rightfully be questioned and debated but the stench of the vote is overwhelming.

And, please don't bore me by trying the usual lame comparisons of this situation with that of things like the Patriot Act or anything else that comes from recent memory.

It is your devout custom and great talent to parse words and whole events. It is stomach churning and mind spinning when you do that and it just doesn't fly with a large minority of us. We are not fools and we reject your attempts to stuff us into that box. Our greatest failure is that we relied on the honor and belief in the reasoned discussion that differentiates us from savages to win the day. It is our failure to not have recognised the necessity of killing the seed of stupidity sewn in the minds of our forefather's young when we had the opportunity. It is our failure that we did not uphold the righteousness of our Constitution when it was under attack. It is our failure to have not scorned and banished the vermin who have so eaten away at the fabric of our Republic. It is our shame that we have failed.

The doors are now open and reason and honor have fled. The jackals and boars are sitting on the benches of power and their re-enforcements are pouring in through our borders. I for one am trying to find the exit by crawling under to smoke. If I find it I'll hold a candle for those who wish to follow and then I will slip quietly away, but I will close the door behind me with the hope that those remaining will enjoy what that can of the time left to them.

As for immediate relief, all I can pray for now is a miracle that the "traitorous three" might see the folly of their ways and come home to stand firm in the face of reason and honor, disregarding the fact that the battle is lost and that the only thing that remains is that same reason and honor.

May God forgive those who have so severely wounded our Republic, for they are weak of mind and have been lead astray by forces larger and stronger that anyone could have imaged. Amen.

Jack

:S I don't see what "leftist ideology" has to do with anything. The video was interesting, but flawed, and I simply pointed out the flaws as I saw them. If that makes me a "stone" or a "stump", then bring on the moss - cause that's the way I am!

At what stage would you say America is at right now? Democracy is how I see it and quickly getting worse. It's like a Tug-of-War with the Republic losing ground day by day. Twig and James how do you see it? Which side of the rope are you on?

Jack,

I was telling a joke. But I think what is more telling is your response, in the fact you couldn't see it as funny. I'm neither liberal or conservative, but somewhere in the middle. I think that gives me the perspective to see nuggets of truth from both sides.

For example, this morning I was with some other Scout Dads who I know are Republican and also happen to be Engineers at GE. I don't remember how it came up, but they started talking about how the emphasis on infrastructure and alternate energy could really been a boon for GE. Windmills are sprouting up all over upstate NY. They are designed here, the rotors in CA and FL and the generator units in SC. I have my doubts this plan will work, but I don't think it will lead to anarchy. Either way, I think that eventually, we'll pull out of this recession.

I dislike Pelosi as much as I dislike Boehner. They seem to not be able to get off there extreme ideological platforms to see anything of value from the other side or in the middle. Like you posting that clip, you were only able to see it from your one sided perspective and not consider that it may be viewed many ways. Considering that, I think it's unfortunate, that all you can do now is shout and scream that the sky is falling and the emperor has no clothes.

Why don't you come up here and help me wrench on my bugeye! That would be much more fun.

I have to agree with you Jack
as I am a man of few words it can be said in a few :
"They have no shame and they have no honor. "

Hope we ALL rember this B S at election times
Throw all them encumbents OUT - locals too !

Any day congress meets we lose more and more liberties
have they ever done anything but screw up ?? NAME IT
Just look at all the crap they have done in the less than four weeks of the "change we can believe in" folks
I will not be at all suprised if in a few years we can't drive our polluting B's
have they bever done anything but screw us ??

call me LIBERTERIAN