MGB: Two Stroke oil

Adding Two Strok oil to your gas,,,,,

Lengthy discussion and I mention it only because this may help some of us with older cars whose ring packs have stuck and trying this did wonders to my old Acura Integra. My son now owns the car and it has 225k on it, never been opened or apart, trying this technique really helped the idle smooth out and added some lost power.

Read on:

http://www.ls1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91206

Interesting. I used to add 2-stroke oil to the gas of my high-mileage Wankels and got over 150,000 miles out of several of them, but never thought of doing it for my MGs.

It works as an "Upper Cylinder Lubricant" or UCL. It used to be common many years ago to put "shots" in when you filled up. In the U.K. the popular stuff was called "Red-X". It certainly won't do any harm in an MG - never heard of using it in a Wankel - but it could help with the dreaded seal "sticking" the older ones suffer from. You really shouldn't use it in any car equipped with a catalytic converter as it will damage the catalyst - and new ones are expensive.

Strange, the things we forget about!!! When I was a kid in Canada, it was very common amongst the sports car set to add a can of " top lube" with every fill up. I did it all the time.
David

Lucas fuel system cleaner is also a "UCL".

I run my lawn mower on my weedeater/blower/chainsaw gas and have found that the engines last way longer than without.

Same as adding a little Marvel Mystery Oil to the engine oil?

No not the same as adding MMO. TC-W3 rated two stroke oils are formulated to be ashless and their cleaning additives will actually remove carbon deposits you may have that are keeping our rings from sliding freely the way they were designed to.

My daughter uses a high quality ashless oil in her 2-cycle (Rotax engine) Sea Doo jet boat. Maybe I'll try some in the gas in my B.

The guy that is the 'expert' in the thread also said that ATF has no lubricating qualities. WTF? I guess all those automatic transmissions out there are working on faith?

I'm skeptical that it does much, but I doubt it would do any harm...

[quote=TKMad]
The guy that is the 'expert' in the thread also said that ATF has no lubricating qualities. WTF? I guess all those automatic transmissions out there are working on faith?

I'm skeptical that it does much, but I doubt it would do any harm...[/quote]

The "expert" is not entirely wrong about ATF.
It has limited lubrication qualities since it must let the clutch packs grip inside the transmission to permit drive but not too much since it will then bind them together when they are meant to be open / unlocked / free.

It also needs to be viscosity range stable over a broad range of temperatures , have anti foaming qualities and a heap of other requirements too.

Pete.

ATF limited lubricating properties? I don't think so. It has been specified in more than one manual transmission in the past. In case someone doesn't realize it, automatic transmissions also have gears. Little bitty ones that transmit a lot of load given the size. Much the same as a OD unit. I've been running ATF in my OD for years with no ill effects.

As far as dumping it or any other oil in my gas. Not for me. Definitly lowers the effective octane and I don't need the resulting detonation. Gas is bad enough these days without diluting it more.

Jim

"As far as dumping it or any other oil in my gas. Not for me. Definitly lowers the effective octane and I don't need the resulting detonation. Gas is bad enough these days without diluting it more."

Herein lies the quandary.

If the TCW3 detergents do indeed clean up the carbon deposits etc in your engine properly then the detonation should decrease with the cleaner innards. I wonde if the TCW3 oil component detonation increase is less that the detergent induced ( allegedly) detonation reduction?
I am not sure that I want to use my car as the test bed....

That's pretty good Jack. Most Wankel, (Mazda Rotatorys) I've found in junk yards had an average of 85,000 miles on them.

Dump a can of Sea Foam in the gas tank now and then If you want to do some real good.

This 2-cycle oil thing looks a lot like the Acetone in gas deal. Me an another board member here tried the Acetone trick, kept records of long term changes, and found it didn't do a damned thing. When you first start the program you unwittingly change your driving habits, you start maxi-miling up to stop signs, and pulling away a little easier, things like that. After a couple of weeks or so you fall back into your old habits and your mileage levels off right where it was before.

Things i have done with 2 stroke oil (merc quicksilver brand)
Paint on machined parts of disassembled engine for storage over 30 days.
Use 100-1 mix in fuel on "initial start up" for rebuilt engine.
Squirt couple spoons full into cyl ,spin engine for storage,,,put plugs in finger tight/wires disconnected.

X[sup]2[/sup] on Sea Foam.

[quote=Peter7307]
[quote=TKMad]
The guy that is the 'expert' in the thread also said that ATF has no lubricating qualities. WTF? I guess all those automatic transmissions out there are working on faith?

I'm skeptical that it does much, but I doubt it would do any harm...[/quote]

The "expert" is not entirely wrong about ATF.
It has limited lubrication qualities since it must let the clutch packs grip inside the transmission [/quote]

That is due to the composition of the clutches rather than the lack of lubrication of the ATF. An MG overdrive has a clutch bathed in 20w50, I have had several motorcycles with wet clutches, the clutch was completely submerged in the gearbox oil, you just need the right material to work in a lubricant.

Surprize...surprize...Sea Foam had been banned for sale in CA, according to a NAPA dealer here near me. Anti-smog folks here at it again.

I just recently - for the same reason - had to pay a lot of extra money to get a CA-approved after market cat. converter installed in the B.

And the twin SU conversion is out here, too, for my '79 B.