Just curious since it makes no sense to me.
Why do conservatives side with the bosses and despise workers?
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........dunno..............why do you always act this way?...give us your best reptilian brain guess to your conjecture.........
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counseling IS what you do...correct?
Just curious since it makes no sense to me."
Inflammnatory statement to incite nothing more Eric. They do not despise workers, just in your tortured mind I suppose. Are those Aussie conservatives too?
careful chuck...he'll call you a "dickwad" and hope you get "gut shot" or "enslaved to work for the good of humanity"....but those are not inflammatory words or druggie either.....a historical "trotsky" based on info supplied by him or a "pathetic" as used by don4975 are....FYI.
the forum should be renamed HOTP. rules in a biased knife fight are total BS.
Inflammnatory statement to incite nothing more Eric. "

Yikes I a counseler, well maybe for public employees it might work, in it is hard to keep deeply held convictions out of a session. Dickwad and hate poor combination but they are there.
Wyatt, you can always tell when their knickers are bunched up cause they post a stupid picture....
Dickwad and hate"
Well, you have renamed the duo of Chuck & Earp.
Now it is "Dickwad and Hate".
First funny thing you have ever come up with Dick.
Kooooooooooooooooooooooooooolllllllllllllllllllll an ad homo-nine attack from the murderous trotsky......da gloves are off....let the mashing of Mr PotatoHead begin....I say we start with the undoubtedly smash and grab theft of the posted avatar award by the trotskyodite....knowing his proclivity for others possessions without their consent, I posit that that award has anothers name hidden under the freshly applied topmost emblem.Circumstantial???? maybe...but considering the source more than enough to convict.
Since the others wont touch this question,i will give you my opinon. Its more of a matter that some conservitives are right wing republicans and as a rule they are not pro labor,especially organized labor. There will tell you that union's might have be needed decades ago but are not needed today. The fact is there forefather fellow republicans hated unions more then they do today and did everyhing they could to stop them,including violence and intimidation. Under the Bush administration organized labor was under constant attack,OSHA was cut back amoung other things.
We need unions today more than ever but the seed has been planted into our youth that unions are bad or they are afraid if they speak of union they will be fired. I don't think our kids have the guts to fight the system that our grandparents did. The unions are to blame also by not getting the message out so except for the few our kids will be working for less and less .I heard Randy Rhodes say something very interesting.........Business is now looking to the emerging middle class in China and India as their new consumers and have abandoned us we will be the cheap labor unable to buy what we make. This rings true to me we were the leaders of the world in the 20th century but who knows where we will be in the next 50 years. The only way we will prevent riots and keep a strong military is to tax those with the most money more. We hear all the whining about a 5% increase they haven't seen anything yet If they were smart they would realize that if they bring back a strong middle class taxes will be paid by everyone and not just the few. If all the 15 million people out of work today had good jobs it would generate billions in new taxes .
Sly, I this explains it a bit as well, Americans believe in social mobility, they feel they will someday be the boss, when the data shows otherwise.
from
http://www.slate.com/id/2266025/entry/2266026/
Why don't Americans pay more attention to growing income disparity? One reason may be our enduring belief in social mobility. Economic inequality is less troubling if you live in a country where any child, no matter how humble his or her origins, can grow up to be president. In a survey of 27 nations conducted from 1998 to 2001, the country where the highest proportion agreed with the statement "people are rewarded for intelligence and skill" was, of course, the United States. (69 percent). But when it comes to real as opposed to imagined social mobility, surveys find less in the United States than in much of (what we consider) the class-bound Old World. France, Germany, Sweden, Denmark, Spain—not to mention some newer nations like Canada and Australia—are all places where your chances of rising from the bottom are better than they are in the land of Horatio Alger's Ragged Dick.
How true these guys really believe they can become millionaires and a lot of them started living like it on credit before they made it. One guy at work bought what was IMO too much house and one time visiting he showed me the "great room" how pretentious! I guess he is still living there as long as he didn't get a toxic loan he will be ok because he has a good union job they same one I had before I retired.I got dazzled by a shyster telling me if I gave up that job my money would be in the "wealth builder" program it seemed too good to be true.........It was. Everyone can't be a boss or a rich man but we could have a more even society as we once had or we will have a 2 tier system as China has now.
Since the others wont touch this question,i will give you my opinon. Its more of a matter that some conservitives are right wing republicans and as a rule they are not pro labor,especially organized labor. There will tell you that union's might have be needed decades ago but are not needed today. The fact is there forefather fellow republicans hated unions more then they do today and did everyhing they could to stop them,including violence and intimidation. Under the Bush administration organized labor was under constant attack,OSHA was cut back amoung other things."
Its really funny because the republicans more represent the ideals and morals of the unions than the liberal democrats. It is completely baffling. Without corporations there would be no unions and the unions would have no one to strike on.
Got it?????????
Chuck, you seem to think all unions do is strike I never went though a strike in my 40 years of working a union job All the union wants is a fair shake if the company does well because of their labor. What is wrong with that? If you are in management and think you are doing a great job won't you go to your boss for a raise? Why is that OK for you but not the guy on the floor? I think it is a form of snobbery where management thinks they are better than the workers and how dare they make anywhere as much as I do. You better find some tax dodges Chuck if we don't get the middle class paying their fair share of taxes and guess who they will come after? Even the repubs have to follow the money and you guys will have it all..............For a while.
Interesting that the title is despise workers and now it is Union workers. Conservatives don't despise any worker from top to bottom. How could they, it is the workers who make the money for the system and for success. So we should put to rest the notion that Conservatives dispise workers because that is illogical. But there is no question that they have mistrust of Unions because of the harm unions are doing to workers over the past 3 decades. It is also why their membership has gone to 8% from about 40%. They have lost their mission and their message. It did not get their because of decertification only the closing of the business and the losing of organizing elections of new business has got them where they are.
More half truths from Rich,if the plant is moved to Mexico and the union can't go with it then it's the union's fault. The reason that unions aren't being formed in new companies is because they tell the workers they will be fired if they mention the "U" word,my son once worked a summer job at Magic mountain and said during orientation they showed an anti union video and told them they would be fired if they mentioned unions. Try to mention union to any WalMart worker they get nervous and walk away. You know in China you get 12 years in jail if you want to unionize I guess you and Wyatt would be happy being a supervisor in China.
Chuck, you seem to think all unions do is strike I never went though a strike in my 40 years of working a union job All the union wants is a fair shake if the company does well because of their labor. What is wrong with that? If you are in management and think you are doing a great job won't you go to your boss for a raise? Why is that OK for you but not the guy on the floor? I think it is a form of snobbery where management thinks they are better than the workers and how dare they make anywhere as much as I do. You better find some tax dodges Chuck if we don't get the middle class paying their fair share of taxes and guess who they will come after? Even the repubs have to follow the money and you guys will have it all..............For a while."
Pat all the corporations want is a fair shake from the workers too.
[quote="Pat Bailey"]
Chuck, you seem to think all unions do is strike I never went though a strike in my 40 years of working a union job All the union wants is a fair shake if the company does well because of their labor. What is wrong with that? If you are in management and think you are doing a great job won't you go to your boss for a raise? Why is that OK for you but not the guy on the floor? I think it is a form of snobbery where management thinks they are better than the workers and how dare they make anywhere as much as I do. You better find some tax dodges Chuck if we don't get the middle class paying their fair share of taxes and guess who they will come after? Even the repubs have to follow the money and you guys will have it all..............For a while."
Pat all the corporations want is a fair shake from the workers too.[/quote]
Dont they already get that? Or maybe they dont that is why they are looking outside the US for cheaper labor wherever they can get it..
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Since the others wont touch this question,i will give you my opinon. Its more of a matter that some conservitives are right wing republicans and as a rule they are not pro labor,especially organized labor. There will tell you that union's might have be needed decades ago but are not needed today. The fact is there forefather fellow republicans hated unions more then they do today and did everyhing they could to stop them,including violence and intimidation. Under the Bush administration organized labor was under constant attack,OSHA was cut back amoung other things."
Its really funny because the republicans more represent the ideals and morals of the unions than the liberal democrats. It is completely baffling. Without corporations there would be no unions and the unions would have no one to strike on.
Got it?????????[/quote]----How ridiculous your first sentence is. I got to be honest,although i dont consider myself a liberal democrate i find your idea that republicans have more "morals" then liberals to be little more than propaganda by the right wing.
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[quote=slywelder]
Since the others wont touch this question,i will give you my opinon. Its more of a matter that some conservitives are right wing republicans and as a rule they are not pro labor,especially organized labor. There will tell you that union's might have be needed decades ago but are not needed today. The fact is there forefather fellow republicans hated unions more then they do today and did everyhing they could to stop them,including violence and intimidation. Under the Bush administration organized labor was under constant attack,OSHA was cut back amoung other things."
Its really funny because the republicans more represent the ideals and morals of the unions than the liberal democrats. It is completely baffling. Without corporations there would be no unions and the unions would have no one to strike on.
Got it?????????[/quote]----How ridiculous your first sentence is. I got to be honest,although i dont consider myself a liberal democrate i find your idea that republicans have more "morals" then liberals to be little more than propaganda by the right wing.[/quote]
Sorry sly,,its a fact dems dont go to church and want to kill unborn babies while at the same time they are working overtime to keep executions of evil ones from happening.
It is your statement that is ludicrous. Your union buddies are more attuned to republican values than liberals...
I don't think anyone wants to kill unborn babies Chuck and you know it. How come after that baby is born the repubs don't give a crap about it anymore? It can starve for all they care,how many babies were killed in Iraq? How many babies have to have someone else raising them because Dad lost his good job and now Mom has to go out and work? How many kids are working slave labor in China so you and your buddies can make a bundle? Stop giving me the crap that repubs just love babies.The only thing you care about is the dollar.
Sorry chum,,,dems support abortion, and late term abortions at that. Leave Iraq out of this lets just talk about the murder committed in the USA.
Sorry sly,,its a fact dems dont go to church and want to kill unborn babies while at the same time they are working overtime to keep executions of evil ones from happening.
It is your statement that is ludicrous. Your union buddies are more attuned to republican values than liberals..."
[quote=cstrong45]
Sorry sly,,its a fact dems dont go to church and want to kill unborn babies while at the same time they are working overtime to keep executions of evil ones from happening.
It is your statement that is ludicrous. Your union buddies are more attuned to republican values than liberals..."
Its true you know...you dont see many publicans advocating late term abortions
Leave Iraq out of this lets just talk about the murder committed in the USA."
"people are rewarded for intelligence and skill"
That's a joke.
Wasn't there a book out once called The Peter Principle? I had a few incompetent bosses over my time I had one once where I was calling him up about an issue and told him I was on cabriolet drive and he asked how to spell it and this buffoon was one of my bosses. The whole corporate structure in this country is messed up People like Rich who made out OK with it can't see it's flaws
[quote=slywelder]
[quote=cstrong45]
Sorry sly,,its a fact dems dont go to church and want to kill unborn babies while at the same time they are working overtime to keep executions of evil ones from happening.
It is your statement that is ludicrous. Your union buddies are more attuned to republican values than liberals..."
Its true you know...you dont see many publicans advocating late term abortions[/quote]--------------------Chuck, perhaps you can do me a favor and tell me which democratic politicians have gone on record stateing they support late term abortions
How many so called late term abortions are there? In 1997 there was 1000 in this country Is this just another fantasy by the right?
Chuck, I don't expect a response, but do you have any idea why late term abortions are performed?
Steve Y, I am not sure that is the question. No one would come out "for" late term abortions, it goes against even a Democrat sensibilities. But the correct question is whether they will support a ban on them.
If asked that question I would answer "yes"
Most Democrats if not all will answer "no" becuase they believe that is a step down the slippery slope of banning abortions. They want unfettered abortion to be the law of the land and then rely on people to make the decision themselves as to when it is performed.
Chuck, I don't expect a response, but do you have any idea why late term abortions are performed?"
http://www.abortionisprolife.com/statistics.htm
One percent is a big number.
Back to the original question, I'm a conservative, but I don't agree with the current management plan of doing whatever it takes to get my big management bonus while screwing the worker. I happen to be on one of the bottom rungs of my company and I don't want to be in management. I just want to be appreciated and compensated fairly for what I bring to the company coffers.
Part of that appreciation includes keeping staffing levels high enough that vacations can be taken when desired, no one is overloaded and we have enough overlap to respond to the customers in a reasonable amount of time. By cutting head count to the breaking point (stress testing), we are adding unnecessary stress to the working environment, undermining employee morale and risking our company's reputation as a leader in providing service. When is the risk worth the reward and when is it time to say enough's enough? Of the above, our reputation is the easiest to lose and the hardest to rebuild.
Please don't lump all conservatives in that group.
Ever read the Jungle?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jungle
Conservatives today want to go back to those glory days and in China they are already doing it and we are next if they get their way. What happened to repubs like Teddy? One of my sons finally landed a job but it not the best, he is working for a Japanese company manufacturing medical components, he is getting a whopping $10 an hour 10 hour days 6 days a week and they won't even give him a chair to sit on so he is on his feet all day except for the GOVERNMENT mandated breaks and lunch.I hope all you anti regulation guys will have family members that will be working in slave condition then maybe you will see what you have wrought with your quest for profit. I hate to think of what this country will be like in 40 years .
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