Scot Abbott's Journal - TPS For SU And Zenith Stromberg TB's

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TPS For SU And Zenith Stromberg TB's

Scot Abbott usa — Posted on The MG Experience
Sunday February 14, 2010 10:22 PM
Throttle position information is obtained from the GM TPS sensor mounted to an adapter on the end of the throttle shaft. This information is used by the ECU to make adjustments to account for strong acceleration and deceleration.

The whole setup consists of the TPS itself, a few nuts and bolts, a couple of small pieces of flat stock, and an adapter so the throttle shaft turns the inside portion of the TPS.

The adapter is a simple bolt with:
1. a hole drilled axially into it so it can be mounted
on the throttle shaft.
2. the sides of the bolt filed flat to it fits into
the TPS unit
3. a hole drilled radially for a cotter pin to hold
the adapter in place. (A set screw could be placed here if desired.)

The TPS mount consists of two 10-32 bolts and two small pieces of brass flat stock.
One bolt holds the 2 brass pieces to the TPS ear
The second bolt holds the brass pieces to the carb body.
Spacers consist of 10-32 nuts to keep the parts locked in place

I assembled the pieces and placed the adapter on the shaft, and placed the tps on it.
I made sure the throttle was closed and rotated the adapter counterclockwise until the tps was at the end of its rotastional travel. I then drilled through the radial hole and pinned the adapter to the shaft.

The following are 3 views from the underside of the carb which show the pieces and their assembly into place.
The first picture shows the adapter with the small pieces attached to it. The drilled and filed nut is also visible on the end of the throttle shaft.
The second picture shows the other side of the TPS
The third picture shows the tps + brass pieces mounted on the carb body. The leftmost 10-32 bolt is screwed into a tapped hole present in the carb body.
The fourth picture shows another view of the mounted pieces. It shows the function of the nuts as spacers for the brass pieces, and the also the use of them as lock nuts.


Carb body with adapter TPS and pieces below

Carb body with adapter, TPS and pieces below

Carb body with adapter Tps and pieces turned over

Carb body with adapter, Tps and pieces turned over

TPS in place

TPS in place

TPS in place vertical view

TPS in place, vertical view




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Hood Bonnet Release

Scot Abbott usa — Posted on The MG Experience
Thursday December 10, 2009 6:39 AM
I have had and repaired many MGB's. IMHO, the cable release setup for MGB's is lousy. The reasons:
They are hard to operate
They eventually fail. Causes PITA
They are located in the wrong place

I have made and used a simple setup to fix the problem setup permanently. Anyone can make one with simple tools and a morning of effort. The pieces can be made of many materials, ones available at a Home Depot type of place. I got mine from my project scrap pile.
The setup is a simple bell crank and rod assembly.
The pictures are pretty self explanatory.
The first picture shows the assembled pieces above the place where they were later installed.
The second picture shows the assembly in place
The third pic shows the front view of it in place.

I arranged it so the latch end is hidden behing the overriders. On a stock RBB, I did a similar setup but painted the latch end black.


Latch example lr

Latch example lr

Latch in place Top View lr

Latch in place Top View lr

Latch installed front view lr

Latch installed front view lr




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Air Filter And Air Box For MGB

Scot Abbott usa — Posted on The MG Experience
Tuesday December 8, 2009 9:38 AM
I wanted to have a much neater, more efficient and suitable air filter setup for my MGBV6. The K&N conical filters look so ugly to me-a kludge-and they do not bring in cold air. This costs about 5% or so of horsepower.
I made an air box of flat sheet steel, and built it to hold a modern high effieiency accordian style filter. I chose an inexpensive one that is readily available at any common auto parts place.
The strategy is to use the volume alongside the motor and behind the radiator which is not being used. The air is brought from the Throttle body to the front of the filter box via 2 rubber angle duct pieces. The air travels from in front of the radiator, so it is cool, but it is taken fromalongside the radiator, so it does not rob cooling capacity.


End view of air box

End view of air box

air box in place top view lr

air box in place (top view) lr

air box view thru front hole lr

air box view thru front hole lr

air box view 1 from above

air box view 1 from above

air box view 2

air box view 2




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Modifying Zenith Stromberg Carb Bodies

Scot Abbott usa — Posted on The MG Experience
Thursday November 12, 2009 6:37 AM
Disclaimer: read and use this information at your own risk. This is a report of my experiences.

Previously I described how I modified carbs using only the simplest tools. In this procedure I used a hole saw in a drill press. In this case I modified a 1.75 inch ZS carb body and I used a 1 3/4 inch hole saw from harbor freight. It gives an attractive result immediately.

This is the procedure I used:


Step 1 clamp (or affix in some fashion) carb body in drill press

Step 2 Center the carb body so you can drill out the center with a hole saw.

Step 3 Dress out the edge of the manifold side of the opening

Step 4 Install Injector holder (usually with injectors in place)

Step 5 Install cover which is a secondary retainer for the injectors

Step 6 (optional) Declare visctory and take the rest of the day off. (humor)

Pictures of the process and result are shown below.

The final picture shows the 'throat view with the injectors and holder in place. This view shows that the modification makes the flow path much smoother, and not partially blocked by the step which was originally there.


ZS Carb in Drill Press with Hole Saw

ZS Carb in Drill Press with Hole Saw

Top View

Top View

Bottom View

Bottom View

Bottom view at angle

Bottom view at angle

Step in place

Step in place

throat view

throat view




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Converting SU Carbs To EFI Devices

Scot Abbott usa — Posted on The MG Experience
Tuesday November 3, 2009 9:17 PM
Legal Disclaimer: The following is my opinion for which I hold no liability. Use this information at your own risk. It involves using pressurized flammable material which can cause injury to property, person, or death. You read this at your own risk and agree to not sue me for any information provided here or its influence on you.

Modifying the 1.5 SU’s for “Bottom Up” EFI

The 1.5 inch SU’s can retain a “stock look” and serve as throttle body injection devices when they are irreversibly modified. It greatly improves the air flow through the carburetor body. I have done this with 2 sets of mine. It can be done with carbs in very poor condition (e.g. sticky/stuck risers, loose throttle shafts, leaky floats, etc.). This is what I did:

1. I first removed the ‘dome’, bottom plate and the contents of the float bowl. I also removed all the other stuff from the outside of the carb. I left the throttle plate in place.

2. I drilled several holes through the floor of the air passage so that this metal structure could be removed. I carefully removed it by using a small saw to connect the holes together. I used a pneumatic muffler saw, and took care not break the carb body or saw through regions I wished to retain. (That can be repaired with JB Weld or Lab Metal, but I’d rather not have to do that). This is a picture looking down through the carb body.

Figure 1

Once the floor of the air passage is removed, this is what the view is from the top side of the carb body. The remnants of the drilled circular outline can still be seen. From the top here.

Figure 2


I next smoothed the opening in the areas of the air passage which remained after I had removed the floor of the carb body. This work was done from the other side (bottom) of the carb body.

Figure 3


The picture below is a view from the bottom of the carb body. The goal here is to open the structure enough for the injector(s) and holder to fit in place, but not remove so much material that there is no material left. I used a rotary tool called a die grinder with coarse bits for use with aluminum. (If a single injector of adequate flow is used, there is no need to widen the passage)

Figure 4

I then removed a portion of the back of the float bowl structure, sawing with the muffler saw. I did this using a number of cuts so I could remove material and keep the structure I wished to retain. The picture below shows the material which comprise the back of the float bowl casting removed. I returned to finish this area later, using a saw, die grinder and a file. I had to trim a small amount of this cross piece away for the injector holders to fit inside the carb body.

Figure 5

(This following step can be done later)
I then reshaped the bottom float bowl covers to make way for the injector feed lines. These covers serve to retain the injector blocks and any other material inside the bowl cavity. First I drilled holes in the covers, then ‘connected the dots’ to remove the center part of the cover, and finally smoothed the resultant opening with a file and die grinder. This material becomes more fragile once the holes are drilled, so I took care not to grip it too tightly in the vice, etc.

During this process, portions of the sides of the carb bodies were removed to make way for the injector connectors. (This may not be necessary if a single injector is used.). These openings were smoothed and finished later.


At this point I started to check the fit of the injectors (with the connectors on them) in the prepared space. The goal is to have a small lip on to support the nozzle end of the injectors, and have it wide enough for both of them, but not have all the material removed from the carb body. With these injectors, the connectors have to point slightly outward because the injectors are too wide to stand upright side by side.

Figure 7

Once the carb body was mostly prepared for the injectors and holders, a set of holders was prepared so the final assembly and fitting could be done.

Figure 8


About holding the injectors in place:

I chose to use two injectors in each carb. I made a holder for them in the following steps:

Used 2 brass elbows (either Home Depot or Fastenal )
Drilled out one of the pipe thread holes in each to 17/32”
(first used ½” drill, then 17/32) Feed Drill slowly
Fitted barbed tubing fittings into each, using tinning flux
Soldered the two elbows together and to a small piece of sheet copper
( I used a large sheet so I could support the elbows during soldering)




Later, I Trimmed away most of the copper sheet and left a tab for attaching to the carb body. (shown in the ‘final ‘picture below)




Figure 11

Once this was finished, I trial assembled the injectors in the holders and the bottom covers. I trimmed small amounts of material away from the cross bar of the carb body and from the back of the holders to make the fit better. During the trial fittings, it was clear that placement of the holder is important. If the holder is placed too far inside the bowl structure, the other end of the injectors can interfere with the throttle plate. This is easily avoided by bending the tab appropriately.

Below is a carb set with the left one converted and the right one left stock. This shows how hidden the conversion is.


DSCN4272

DSCN4272




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Journal Entry: Converting SU Carbs To EFI Devices rated 9 out of 10 based on 1 ratings and 2 user reviews.
Comment by John Redman at 2011-02-05 15:46:52
Rated this: 9/10
I am surprised and intrigued by this article. I'm working with a TD/C and I'm not likely to sacrifice my H4s besides which it is built completely differently. As the mounting scheme is different, I'm wondering just what can be done. I have some questions. One, why did you choose two injectors per? Can it not be done with one per? Two, do you know of an SU that would do for my intake manifold?
Comment by John Redman at 2011-02-05 16:25:50
Please, Scott Abbot, email me johnredman@bikerider.com.

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Converting SU Carbs To EFI Devices

Scot Abbott usa — Posted on The MG Experience
Sunday April 6, 2008 8:02 PM
Legal Disclaimer: The following is my opinion for which I hold no liability. Use this information at your own risk. It involves using pressurized flammable material which can cause injury to property, person, or death. You read this at your own risk and agree to not sue me for any information provided here or its influence on you.

Modifying the 1.5 SU’s for “Bottom Up” EFI

The 1.5 inch SU’s can retain a “stock look” and serve as throttle body injection devices when they are irreversibly modified. It greatly improves the air flow through the carburetor body. I have done this with 2 sets of mine. It can be done with carbs in very poor condition (e.g. sticky/stuck risers, loose throttle shafts, leaky floats, etc.). This is what I did, using only the simplest tools common to a household.


1. I first removed the ‘dome’, bottom plate and the contents of the float bowl. I also removed all the other stuff from the outside of the carb. I left the throttle plate in place.

2. I drilled several holes through the floor of the air passage so that this metal structure could be removed. I carefully removed it by using a small saw to connect the holes together. I used a pneumatic muffler saw, and took care not break the carb body or saw through regions I wished to retain. (That can be repaired with JB Weld or Lab Metal, but I’d rather not have to do that). This is a picture looking down through the carb body. If you have a drill press, you can use a hole saw (like harbor freight p/n 38425 1 /34 inch hole saw) and remove the carb body floor in a single, easy operation.

Figure 1

Once the floor of the air passage is removed, this is what the view is from the top side of the carb body. The remnants of the drilled circular outline can still be seen. From the top here.

Figure 2


I next smoothed the opening in the areas of the air passage which remained after I had removed the floor of the carb body. This work was done from the other side (bottom) of the carb body.

Figure 3


The picture below is a view from the bottom of the carb body. The goal here is to open the structure enough for the injector(s) and holder to fit in place, but not remove so much material that there is no material left. I used a rotary tool called a die grinder with coarse bits for use with aluminum. (If a single injector of adequate flow is used, there is no need to widen the passage)

Figure 4

I then removed a portion of the back of the float bowl structure, sawing with the muffler saw. I did this using a number of cuts so I could remove material and keep the structure I wished to retain. The picture below shows the material which comprise the back of the float bowl casting removed. I returned to finish this area later, using a saw, die grinder and a file. I had to trim a small amount of this cross piece away for the injector holders to fit inside the carb body.

Figure 5

(This following step can be done later)
I then reshaped the bottom float bowl covers to make way for the injector feed lines. These covers serve to retain the injector blocks and any other material inside the bowl cavity. First I drilled holes in the covers, then ‘connected the dots’ to remove the center part of the cover, and finally smoothed the resultant opening with a file and die grinder. This material becomes more fragile once the holes are drilled, so I took care not to grip it too tightly in the vice, etc.

During this process, portions of the sides of the carb bodies were removed to make way for the injector connectors. (This may not be necessary if a single injector is used.). These openings were smoothed and finished later.


At this point I started to check the fit of the injectors (with the connectors on them) in the prepared space. The goal is to have a small lip on to support the nozzle end of the injectors, and have it wide enough for both of them, but not have all the material removed from the carb body. With these injectors, the connectors have to point slightly outward because the injectors are too wide to stand upright side by side.

Figure 7

Once the carb body was mostly prepared for the injectors and holders, a set of holders was prepared so the final assembly and fitting could be done.

Figure 8


About holding the injectors in place:

I chose to use two injectors in each carb. I made a holder for them in the following steps:

Used 2 brass elbows (either Home Depot or Fastenal )
Drilled out one of the pipe thread holes in each to 17/32”
(first used ½” drill, then 17/32) Feed Drill slowly
Fitted barbed tubing fittings into each, using tinning flux
Soldered the two elbows together and to a small piece of sheet copper
( I used a large sheet so I could support the elbows during soldering)




Later, I Trimmed away most of the copper sheet and left a tab for attaching to the carb body. (shown in the ‘final ‘picture below)




Figure 11

Once this was finished, I trial assembled the injectors in the holders and the bottom covers. I trimmed small amounts of material away from the cross bar of the carb body and from the back of the holders to make the fit better. During the trial fittings, it was clear that placement of the holder is important. If the holder is placed too far inside the bowl structure, the other end of the injectors can interfere with the throttle plate. This is easily avoided by bending the tab appropriately.

Below is a carb set with the left one converted and the right one left stock. This shows how hidden the conversion is.


figure 1 drilling out floor

figure 1 drilling out floor

Floor removed

Floor removed

Floor removerd view from below

Floor removerd view from below

Figure 4 Fitting Injectors

Figure 4 Fitting Injectors

Rear section of Bowl Removed

Rear section of Bowl Removed

Preparing bottom cover

Preparing bottom cover

Converted carb body with two injectors in place

Converted carb body with two injectors in place

Soldering copper tab to Fastenal Elbows

Soldering copper tab to Fastenal Elbows

Which is converted ans left one

Which is converted? ans: left one

Front View of SU s

Front View of SU's

carb body in drill press

carb body in drill press




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